Do you trust your neighbor to own a sword?

[releventchair]

The stabilizing brace made me do it....

 

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[Duckshot]

Just stating that mass murder is illegal isn’t helpful.

In the right hands, the tool isn’t a problem. In the wrong hands, some tools facilitate mass murder. Just like ammonium nitrate fertilizers aren’t a problem when used as intended. You’re not going to convince me that the Las Vegas loser could have killed so many people with his hands, a rock, a steak knife, hammer, or sword. So how do we keep the tool out of the wrong hands?

Kindest regards,
Kantuck

You are going to be real sad to realize that the Vagas shooter did in fact use his own hands..

The shooter controls the gun, not the other way 'round.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

2,977 people were killed on 9/11 and not a shot was fired or a gun brandished. Largest single mass-murder ever.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Currently violent offenders (felons) are prohibited from legally owning firearms - for as long as they live. This is partially why you see many shady looking characters carrying large knives or sticks and bats.

If anyone is interested in the restrictions they look into when purchasing/selling a firearm...here is the federal form.
Seems to kind of cover all the bases.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Currently violent offenders (felons) are prohibited from legally owning firearms - for as long as they live.

And yet that does not prevent them from owning firearms because they do not respect laws. If we ban firearms it will be as successful as banning alcohol was in the 1920's. We will just strengthen illegal trade - like cocaine and heroin. Russia and North Korea will probably make out fine with the added manufacturing demand. Laws do not stop criminals.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

FBI: More people killed with knives, hammers, clubs and even feet than rifles in 2018


It’s the data that the mainstream media tends to bury when it doesn’t fit their agenda.

According to the FBI, more than five times as many people were killed in 2018 by knives, clubs and other cutting instruments than with rifles.

The metrics show that there were a total of 1,515 deaths by knives or other cutting instruments last year. Compare that against 297 people killed by rifles.

It’s a gap that widened significantly over 2017. In that year, the FBI said nearly four times as many people were stabbed to death as killed with rifles. During that year, the number of murders with rifles was around 400.

It gets better. More than 100 more people were killed with hammers and clubs in 2018 than were killed by rifles. There were 443 people killed with hammers, clubs, or other “blunt objects”.

We need to point out that the data isn’t just semiautomatic rifles – it’s ALL rifles, including bolt action, pump or lever action rifles as well.

If you were to contrast the numbers between JUST semiautomatic rifles and knife homicides, the gap would be even larger.

Here’s another number that will blow your mind. The data also shows that in 2018, there were 672 deaths from “fists, feet and other ‘personal weapons’” – which is once again more than with rifles.

In 2017, there were 692 people killed in the same way – a number larger than the total number of homicides by rifles and shotguns combined



Rifles are only used in a small fraction of murders committed using firearms.



FBI data from that year showed that more than 7,100 people were killed using handguns, and that the vast majority of non-fatal crimes involving guns are also committed using handguns.

A 2012 study offers interesting reflections by a New Jersey intelligence center, which works in conjunction with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

“Semiautomatic handguns are the weapon of choice for mass shootings,” the report notes.

According to the CDC, in 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542).

The rest were either unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338).

In 2017, gun suicides reached their highest recorded level … yet the number of gun murders remained far below the peak in 1993, when there were 18,253 gun homicides. Also during that time, overall violent crime levels in the U.S. were much higher than they are today.


FBI: More people killed with knives, hammers, clubs and even feet than rifles in 2018

And although 2017 also brought the highest total number of gun deaths in America, it doesn’t account for the growing population of the country.

When you break that down on a per-capita basis, we’re talking about 12 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2017 – the highest rate in more than two decades, but still well below the 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974, the highest rate in the CDC’s online database.

Suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths.

FBI: More people killed with knives, hammers, feet than rifles in 2018 (lawenforcementtoday.com)

 

[Tesorodeoro]

[h=1]FBI: More people killed with knives, hammers, clubs and even feet than rifles in 2018[/h]
It’s the data that the mainstream media tends to bury when it doesn’t fit their agenda.
According to the FBI, more than five times as many people were killed in 2018 by knives, clubs and other cutting instruments than with rifles.
The metrics show that there were a total of 1,515 deaths by knives or other cutting instruments last year. Compare that against 297 people killed by rifles.
It’s a gap that widened significantly over 2017. In that year, the FBI said nearly four times as many people were stabbed to death as killed with rifles. During that year, the number of murders with rifles was around 400.
It gets better. More than 100 more people were killed with hammers and clubs in 2018 than were killed by rifles. There were 443 people killed with hammers, clubs, or other “blunt objects”.
We need to point out that the data isn’t just semiautomatic rifles – it’s ALL rifles, including bolt action, pump or lever action rifles as well.
If you were to contrast the numbers between JUST semiautomatic rifles and knife homicides, the gap would be even larger.
Here’s another number that will blow your mind. The data also shows that in 2018, there were 672 deaths from “fists, feet and other ‘personal weapons’” – which is once again more than with rifles.
In 2017, there were 692 people killed in the same way – a number larger than the total number of homicides by rifles and shotguns combined.


FBI: More people killed with knives, hammers, feet than rifles in 2018 (lawenforcementtoday.com)

I find it interesting that the solution to gun deaths is to enact more laws to get rid of guns, yet the solution to deaths by drug overdose (71,000) is to pass more laws to decriminalize possession and use of drugs.
Either way more laws is the answer.....ya right.

 

[newnan man]

The problem with the Fed Ex shooter had nothing to do with the type of firearm used and weather it had been modified in some way. He could just as easily used a Glock 19 (common police type gun) & had several extra magazines. It would have been just as lethal. The problem was with the person committing the heinous crime. Red flags go up on people all the time and nothing gets done. Society's ills are to blame. A method to kill will always be found if that is a sick persons desire. Guns are easy to aquire illegally and lying on a form is illegal. Taking away my ability to protect myself will never fix the problem. Gun control laws are just painting the front of the barn while the back is on fire.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

And yet that does not prevent them from owning firearms because they do not respect laws. If we ban firearms it will be as successful as banning alcohol was in the 1920's. We will just strengthen illegal trade - like cocaine and heroin. Russia and North Korea will probably make out fine with the added manufacturing demand. Laws do not stop criminals.

I just wanted to point out there are laws on the books...there are safeguards in place that attempt to keep firearms out of the hands of people that we all agree shouldn’t have them. There are some hefty penalties for lying on that form.

It still doesn’t work.

 

[Duckshot]

Kantukeean, I admit that the USA ain't the safest country on this planet. People get robbed, stabbed, shot, burglarized, raped, and murdered most everyday. My question to you is, what are you going to do if somebody is robbing, stabbing, burglarizing, or murdering you?

The easy answer is to dial 911, right? And who shows up when you call 911?

Men With Guns.

Would you prefer the coroner instead?

 

[DizzyDigger]

Tesoro, this section of the form has always concerned me:

Questions 21.e. Prohibited Persons: ...is an unlawful user of, or addicted to,
marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance.
Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of
whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state
where you reside.

. (bold by me)

How many of us take a "controlled substance" daily?

Use of controlled substances is regulated by the US Gov't, and a formal
prescription is required to purchase or possess them.

I take a number of "controlled substances" daily, and if I were to
suddenly stop taking them, there would be negative results and in
some cases some form of physical withdrawal would occur.

No, I'm not talking about opioids, but I am referencing the medications
many of us take regularly. As for myself, I take a thyroid hormone,
a blood pressure reducer, a mild happy pill, a low dose of Adderall
and a couple others for cholesterol.

I know that we generally think of meth/heroin, etc. when considering
drug addiction, but that's not what the form says.

Not an unlawful user, but addicted in the sense I require them daily,
as do many people my age. Never been investigated for any crime, and
my last speeding ticket was in '91.

Are we [technically] now banned from purchasing a firearm as a result?

 

[Garscale]

There should be a waiting period of 2 weeks to buy a hammer. All black hammers should be banned.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

There should be a waiting period of 2 weeks to buy a hammer. All black hammers should be banned.

As soon as someone kills 25 or 30 people with a hammer, we'll crack down on hammers. The problem with guns is that it's the weapon of choice of cowards. You can shoot someone from 100 feet and they can't defend themselves from you. Say what you will, but it take guts to attack a crowd of people with a knife or a bat. There's the very real chance that some person will fend you off and kick your butt. But shooting people from a distance is the choice of the cowards in this world. Nice and clean and no chance of anyone being able to defend themselves against you.

Add to the fact that they can fire hundreds of rounds in a few minutes from some weapons and you have a recipe for disaster. Not many of these cowards are shooting up places with a six shooter! They know they'll be lucky to kill 3 or 4 people before someone is on them. That's no fun because they hate the world and want to kill as many people as they can before killing themselves. Eliminate all guns that fire more than six rounds without reloading and this bloodbath will end. No one needs to have a gun that fires more than six rounds anyway. If you can't fend off an intruder with six shots, you deserve to die.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Tesoro, this section of the form has always concerned me:

. (bold by me)

How many of us take a "controlled substance" daily?

Use of controlled substances is regulated by the US Gov't, and a formal
prescription is required to purchase or possess them.

I take a number of "controlled substances" daily, and if I were to
suddenly stop taking them, there would be negative results and in
some cases some form of physical withdrawal would occur.

No, I'm not talking about opioids, but I am referencing the medications
many of us take regularly. As for myself, I take a thyroid hormone,
a blood pressure reducer, a mild happy pill, a low dose of Adderall
and a couple others for cholesterol.

I know that we generally think of meth/heroin, etc. when considering
drug addiction, but that's not what the form says.

Not an unlawful user, but addicted in the sense I require them daily,
as do many people my age. Never been investigated for any crime, and
my last speeding ticket was in '91.

Are we [technically] now banned from purchasing a firearm as a result?

I think the question is intended to prevent people from buying a gun that is or should be in rehab getting treatment for addiction.

I do think we should apply a higher level of scrutiny to applicants that routinely take psychostimulants, antidepressants, mood stabilizers, etc. I realize many people benefit from those types of drugs, but there are also some very real consequences when they stop taking the medications or adjust the combinations of drugs. I’m not sure how to go about that without stepping on people’s rights. I just know many of the shooters the media focuses on had been taking those types of drugs to try and cope with issues they were experiencing.

A friend had a conceal carry permit application scrutinized because of medications he was taking. The sheriff personally interviewed him and might have even somehow consulted with the doctor.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

If you can't fend off an intruder with six shots, you deserve to die.

First off...WOW just WOW!

Second, you do realize that the rate of hits during a gun fight is as low as 18% when trained police officers are involved in a gun battle. 6 x .18 = 1.08

Wonder what that ratio would be if you were not trained each month and had access to unlimited amounts of ammo.
If you were engaging an evil person that was armed with an illegal assault weapon after just waking up from a dead asleep. Wonder what chances you would have?

Your idea is absurd in that it has no roots in reality.

With that said, I routinely carry a 5 shooter. Perhaps I should look into something that holds more rounds.

 

[Garscale]

As soon as someone kills 25 or 30 people with a hammer, we'll crack down on hammers. The problem with guns is that it's the weapon of choice of coward.


No one needs to have a gun that fires more than six rounds anyway. If you can't fend off an intruder with six shots, you deserve to die.

See how you make my point for me that its ridiculous to blame the tool instead of the user?

There was once a mass killing with the jaw bone of an ass. Let's ban asses. Dang sure no shortage of them.

 

[stoneshirt]

So they us gonna send men with guns to steal guns from other men? Isn't that armed robery according to common law?

I guess if you can condone theft, it ain't too much more difficult to condone murder.

Us Americans shoot murders. Just sayin'.

F45k,man,get a grip on reality.you scarethe$hitout of me.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

If you can't fend off an intruder with six shots, you deserve to die.

So, when 4 people kick in your front door and you only have 6 rounds to protect your wife, 2 daughters and son, do they deserve to die too, is your wife and 2 daughters killed after being rape?

 

[FreeBirdTim]

So, when 4 people kick in your front door and you only have 6 rounds to protect your wife, 2 daughters and son, do they deserve to die too, is your wife and 2 daughters killed after being rape?

Do you seriously worry about this happening? Wow, just wow...

 

[Tahts-a-dats-ago]

Home invasions are far more prevalent than mass shootings.