✅ SOLVED Do these 2 things belong together? UPDATE: they do!

DownEast_Detecting · Aug 1, 2023

So 1 and 2 were found quite a bit away from each other(75feet) In the mud at low water way out in this cove. Where there was an English landing in the 1600's sometime. But you know, probably people from all times as well. Fishing,canoeing, clamming etc.. no houses though, just woods.
What is number 1
What is number 2
Does #1 have a design on it? or am i seeing things?(rust pattern)

Do 1 and 2 go with each other? were they together in the same part #3? Although they could fit together better, post on #1 could be wider to fit into slots on #2 better. And the nubs on the outside of #2 i would think should go on the other side. And #1's diameter could be bigger.
But at the same time the holes line up, so to speak.

creskol · Aug 1, 2023

I am not sure but that first piece may be some part to a lock .. at least the logo suggests that. I don't think the two pieces go together tho.

DownEast_Detecting · Aug 1, 2023

creskol said:
I am not sure but that first piece may be some part to a lock .. at least the logo suggests that. I don't think the two pieces go together tho.

this isnt a case of pareidolia right? everybody see's this too? I turned mine to line up with logo.

wow creskol. where did you pull this outta? Image search? Memory of this particular old lock logo?

DownEast_Detecting · Aug 1, 2023

oh man creskol i think you were right on

Rmeav8r · Aug 1, 2023

I think No. 2 is a brake spring retainer cap for drum brakes.

invent4hir · Aug 2, 2023

Are there any patent drawings and/or diagrams showing the internal workings for that brand of padlock? You might find #2 there (or rule out it doesn't).

Retired Sarge · Aug 2, 2023

Second item, could it be a part of a locking tab? I've seen something similar while in the military on some vintage web gear and for locking down canvas covers on equipment.

Try as I might, I can't come up with the proper term to Google a picture of what I'm talking about.

ETA: Disregard, I was thinking of a turn button fastener, but the slot is wrong for that idea.

DownEast_Detecting · Aug 2, 2023

invent4hir said:
Are there any patent drawings and/or diagrams showing the internal workings for that brand of padlock? You might find #2 there (or rule out it doesn't).

Never mind the internals i was looking these things up last night. When i saw this picture i couldn’t believe it. I promise you this was not a set up. I truly found them far away and didn’t think they were related to each other. (I mean the ocean could of moved them in the mud that far apart for sure). They don’t go “together” but they were on the same part right? I'm 99% sure that is my number 2 below. I’m not sure they were on the same lock but who knows for sure. Its probably one or 2 of thses Antique.Sargent.&.Co.Smoke.House.Padlocks.
Thanks Creskol for pointing me towards the lock. I would of never gone there my self.

invent4hir · Aug 3, 2023

On WorthhPoint ...
Until approximately 1882, Sargent and Company was a distributor for Mallory, Wheeler, and Co., a door hardware and lock manufacturer. After that time, Sargent manufactured its own locks.

Blackfoot58 · Aug 3, 2023

Rmeav8r said:
I think No. 2 is a brake spring retainer cap for drum brakes.

It certainly does look like a brake spring retainer cap. But, given what it was found with, the padlock idea is pretty convincing.

creskol · Aug 3, 2023

DownEast_Detecting said:
Never mind the internals i was looking these things up last night. When i saw this picture i couldn’t believe it. I promise you this was not a set up. I truly found them far away and didn’t think they were related to each other. (I mean the ocean could of moved them in the mud that far apart for sure). They don’t go “together” but they were on the same part right? I'm 99% sure that is my number 2 below. I’m not sure they were on the same lock but who knows for sure. Its probably one or 2 of thses Antique.Sargent.&.Co.Smoke.House.Padlocks.
Thanks Creskol for pointing me towards the lock. I would of never gone there my self.
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That's some good research, DownEast! Well done! :icon_thumright:

DownEast_Detecting · Aug 3, 2023

creskol said:
That's some good research, DownEast! Well done!

Thanks creskol, I was really just trying to find an example of a lock that my #1 was definitely from like the exact lock. When i saw a picture of the other side of one, where the key goes. And was like wow, never thought they went together. It was a cool moment.
but again, wouldn't of happened without your first id of the logo. Still not sure how you did that. thanks

BuckleBoy · Aug 3, 2023

Hello all, yes Sargeant and company dust cover piece and keyhole escutcheon from a different lock of the sort with the two pronged key. All of this information and ID of each of the main types of smokehouse locks and brands is in my upcoming relic book published through American digger magazine.

DownEast_Detecting · Aug 4, 2023

BuckleBoy said:
Hello all, yes Sargeant and company dust cover piece and keyhole escutcheon from a different lock of the sort with the two pronged key. All of this information and ID of each of the main types of smokehouse locks and brands is in my upcoming relic book published through American digger magazine.

thats cool buckleboy. When does it come out? and is it a physical book we will be able to order?

BuckleBoy · Aug 5, 2023

DownEast_Detecting said:
thats cool buckleboy. When does it come out? and is it a physical book we will be able to order?

It is a physical printed coffee table sized book. Will be available to purchase late 2024 most likely. In the layout phase starting this next month

DownEast_Detecting · Aug 5, 2023

BuckleBoy said:
It is a physical printed coffee table sized book. Will be available to purchase late 2024 most likely. In the layout phase starting this next month

awesome! what does it cover? as far as time frames and items

BuckleBoy · Aug 6, 2023

DownEast_Detecting said:
awesome! what does it cover? as far as time frames and items

Its focus is the identification of relics dating between 1800 and 1950 but also includes some from the 1700s. The book is meant to ID the majority of what can be found in the soil between those dates. There’s well over 1,100 photos

creskol · Aug 6, 2023

BuckleBoy said:
It is a physical printed coffee table sized book. Will be available to purchase late 2024 most likely. In the layout phase starting this next month

If I'm not six feet under and pushing up the daisies when you books come out I will be sure to buy one.

BuckleBoy · Aug 6, 2023

creskol said:
If I'm not six feet under and pushing up the daisies when you books come out I will be sure to buy one.

I appreciate you my friend, and I also appreciate all the diligence and knowledge you’ve brought to bear in this section of the forum for decades now. We really have a great group here helping folks ID finds. Our work here was the starting point for this book, which covers everything from keyhole covers and brands to pipe stems, doll legs, marbles, jewelry, horse tack, jaw harps, gun flints, household items, buttons, weapons and bullets, eating utensils, tools, and more.

DownEast_Detecting · Aug 7, 2023

BuckleBoy said:
I appreciate you my friend, and I also appreciate all the diligence and knowledge you’ve brought to bear in this section of the forum for decades now. We really have a great group here helping folks ID finds. Our work here was the starting point for this book, which covers everything from keyhole covers and brands to pipe stems, doll legs, marbles, jewelry, horse tack, jaw harps, gun flints, household items, buttons, weapons and bullets, eating utensils, tools, and more.

Awesome BuckleBoy!!! i cant wait to see this book! I'm sure you have most of this info already but just in case there are some pipe makers marks you haven't seen or some new info, here you go. Ill put them all in thumbnails at the bottom, if you need to blow them up to see them better.