Details That Have Not Been Debated or Argued Yet.

[bigscoop]

Seems there's nothing left to debate or argue, and yet there is, so let's see if we can discover some of these untapped details. The first ones that come to mind for me is this;

"What breed of horses would the Beale party have most likely used?"
"What type and caliber of buffalo rifle would they have most likely carried with them on their adventure?"
"Did they take extra horse shoes? And if so, how many do you think they would have taken?"

So many mysteries left to debate and argue that are far from the popular, and yet I'm sure we can all find more. What say you? Can you think of more? (This should be fun. )

 

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[ECS]

Why did James Beverly Ward apply for copyright on borrowed paper with a company's letterhead?

 

[bigscoop]

Why did James Beverly Ward apply for copyright on borrowed paper with a company's letterhead?

Could be he never borrowed it at all. Could be he just signed what he was handed after agreeing to represent the pamphlet? But this has all been debated before, and like most everything else, just too many unknowns.

 

[ECS]

... all been debated before, and like most everything else, just too many unknowns.

Did the Beale Party smoke a Peace Pipe with the Native-Americans that made them friendly and helpful, and if so, what was in that pipe that they were smoking?
Why did they travel so far to hunt buffalo when the high plains was closer to St Louis?

 

[ECS]

Could be he never borrowed it at all. Could be he just signed what he was handed after agreeing to represent the pamphlet?...

Ward's son-in-law worked for the company on the letterhead paper.
So it was something new
or something old
Something borrowed
or something stolen
It is curious that Ward applied for the copyright on stationary of a company in which he was not involved.

 

[ECS]

Why did Thomas Beale, owner of a plantation and hotel in New Orleans, travel to Virginia to recruit members for his buffalo hunting expedition?
Why not recruit in New Orleans or St Louis which would lessen the miles traveled?
It does seem curious that he would go out of his way to Virginia to begin this perilous adventure.

 

[bigscoop]

Why did Thomas Beale, owner of a plantation and hotel in New Orleans, travel to Virginia to recruit members for his buffalo hunting expedition?
Why not recruit in New Orleans or St Louis which would lessen the miles traveled?
It does seem curious that he would go out of his way to Virginia to begin this perilous adventure.

First, just to make clear, you're presenting questions that only exist if the story was true as written. Having said that, you're questions likewise assume that the correct Thomas Beale has been identified, which very clearly, may not be the case. And from here, I read nothing in the pamphlet that claims that all of the recruits were from Virginia, so again, just another assumption without foundation. If, as you present, that Thomas Beale traveled from New Orleans to Virginia to begin his quest then it is also reasonable that any number of his alleged recruits could have done the same, yes? Just far too many unknowns to arrive at so many conclusions.

 

[ECS]

First, just to make clear, you're presenting questions that only exist if the story was true as written. Having said that...

...if Ward hadn't copyrighted and published the 1885 Beale Papers, would the Beale treasure still exist?

 

[bigscoop]

...if Ward hadn't copyrighted and published the 1885 Beale Papers, would the Beale treasure still exist?

Perhaps, perhaps not? As we discussed before, could be numerous reasons why the copyright was applied for on the stationary in question. Could be Ward borrowed the paper or was given it, or, it could just as easily be that he was handed the paper to sign. Who knows? If not Ward then perhaps it could have just as easily been someone else. Who can place any certainty on any of these possibilities. Just not enough known details behind the making of the story. If we take the story as presented then Ward had simply been selected as the representing agent by an unknown author. So who knows?

 

[ECS]

The point is this, if the Beale Papers were NOT published and placed for sale, would the treasure exist?
Ward's published pamphlet is the ONLY ORIGINAL SOURCE that states that this treasure exist.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The point is this, if the Beale Papers were NOT published and placed for sale, would the treasure exist?
Ward's published pamphlet is the ONLY ORIGINAL SOURCE that states that this treasure exist.

Question suitable for MUCH pondering & GIANT mugs of coffee (aka JAVA) ; maybe not as the BEALE Treasure... MAYBE, the CONFEDERATE TREASURY portion for WESTERN part of Va. & VMI! MANY REBELS lived in Lynchburg, Va. after the CONFEDERATE WAR...FACTS! CSA PAYMASTER lived here, MANY Rebel Generals lived here & in Bedford County, Va., who DID NOT surrender! FACT: Beale Treasure is stated to be buried in Old City Cemetery, AND! There is a CONFEDERATE Section in OCC; Lynchburg, Va. was the LAST capital of Virginia, after Richmond, Va. fell (April 7-10, 1865).

 

[bigscoop]

The point is this, if the Beale Papers were NOT published and placed for sale, would the treasure exist?
Ward's published pamphlet is the ONLY ORIGINAL SOURCE that states that this treasure exist.

I understand your point, but like I said, "if not Ward then perhaps someone else." So, since we know absolutely nothing about the author or the true purpose of the pamphlet, other then what the author has told us, who can say?

 

[ECS]

Seems there's nothing left to debate or argue, and yet there is...

Like where did all those iron pots come from that the gold, silver, and jewelry were placed in, their size, and country of origin?

 

[ECS]

If Beale put a limerick in C1 about a girl from Nantucket.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

If Beale put a limerick in C1 about a girl from Nantucket.

Heh...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

THAT is a "CLASSIC"! Someone else mentioned a limerick in Code 1... dunno.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Hmmm... look like TN pulled my R & I Up-date "thread" on "BT"... NOT to worry; "google" Beale Ciphers Archives. HH! Good Luck!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The "Floor" is OPEN...

 

[ECS]

Did the Beale party sing Shenandoah as the sat around an aspen wood campfire sipping a strong brew of chicory coffee from tin cups?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Did the Beale party sing Shenandoah as the sat around an aspen wood campfire sipping a strong brew of chicory coffee from tin cups?

Naw; the BEE ALE song... heh.