Death Loves A Shining Mark

[Rebel - KGC]

I agree S.D. The connections I have became aware of are the ones to the colleges that were established by these gentlemen and then their presence on the board. In Michigan's case, the Governor and several of his cabinet members sat on the University's board. A lot of these particular gentlemen have been implicated as being involved to some extent with the K.G.C. Transylvania U is another example of these same sort of gentlemen doing the same thing during that crucial time of secession discussion period and young men at V.M.I. were already starting to choose sides in an impending Civil War. As we Masonic Brothers know, our organization would come to and end if it were not for the newly initiated young men coming into the brotherhood. On the same hand it is easy to see that certain individuals with specific traits of character and personal knowledge and desired capabilities (and perhaps coincidentally the loss of there father at a young age....) were selected for special positions in the United States Government and it's Judicial system, local city and state governments and any other position that the K.G.C./ O.A.K. desired control of for what ever purpose. They also wanted to control the placement of these colleges and especially to gain control of the allotted government funding for those institutions. The proof can be easily verified with very little research once you know who the Knights were.

L.C.

Well, in Virginia, there were a few RICH BRIT FreeMasons in Jamestown; NO Lodge, tho. LATER moved "up-land" to Williamsburg, Va.; Lodge there and William & Mary College with a FEW Illuminati-influenced Professors, ONE who GREATLY influenced Thomas Jefferson (from 1620's on); LOTS of early "Free-thoughts" history down in Williamsburg, Va. FreeMasons, Rosicrucians, Illuminati... WHEW! State Capital of Virginia in the early days before Richmond, Va. LOTS of Bro/Sir Francis Bacon "influence"... NEW ATLANTIS

 

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[senior deacon]

Rebel you are spot on about the Free-Thought. No wonder that Jefferson was so in tune with the craft without being part of it. These free thinkers always thought that there was more. They knew that it should never end at a certain point. If a line extended East at what time did it become the West and would it at some time become East again. In other words when would it come full circle?

This is about as political as I will get on here. The Founding Fathers knew that Freedom of thought and consequently speech were the ultimate freedom and made it the first Item on the Bill of Rights. They knew if we ever lost that that the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence would mean nothing. We today may have lost sight of their Grand plan for a truly free nation.

Today freedom to think is considered dangerous to the powers that be/were. Those of us that do think are the exception not the rule. We succeed where others fail. That was part of the Grand plan that only the strongest survived. They that produced prospered. Guess that in today's world that is a foreign thought.

S.D.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

FURTHER R & I indicate that Yorktown, & Norfolk, Va. had GREAT "infux" of FreeMasons under BRIT "charters"; as an example, in Norfolk. Va., we had BRIT "Royal Exchange" Lodge; Grand Lodge of Virginia was "organized" and THAT FM Lodge became Virginia Blue Lodge # 1...

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Rebel you are spot on about the Free-Thought. No wonder that Jefferson was so in tune with the craft without being part of it. These free thinkers always thought that there was more. They knew that it should never end at a certain point. If a line extended East at what time did it become the West and would it at some time become East again. In other words when would it come full circle?

This is about as political as I will get on here. The Founding Fathers knew that Freedom of thought and consequently speech were the ultimate freedom and made it the first Item on the Bill of Rights. They knew if we ever lost that that the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence would mean nothing. We today may have lost sight of their Grand plan for a truly free nation.

Today freedom to think is considered dangerous to the powers that be/were. Those of us that do think are the exception not the rule. We succeed where others fail. That was part of the Grand plan that only the strongest survived. They that produced prospered. Guess that in today's world that is a foreign thought.

S.D.

How many NON-Freemasons have you ever heard of receiving last rights?

L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

For the sake of discussion only............
Dr. Joseph Guillotin reported that Thomas Jefferson attended meetings at the prestigious Lodge of Nine Muses in Paris, France—the same lodge attended by Voltaire, Benjamin Franklin, and John Paul Jones. He marched in a Masonic procession with Widow’s Son Lodge No. 60 and Charlottesville Lodge No. 90 on October 6, 1817, and participated in laying the cornerstone for Central College (now known as the University of Virginia.) In 1801, twenty-five years prior to his death, a lodge was chartered in Surry Court House, Virginia—it was named Jefferson Lodge No. 65. And most notably, upon his death on July 4, 1826, both the Grand Lodge of South Carolina and the Grand Lodge of Louisiana held Masonic funeral rites and processions for him.

 

[ivan salis]

think of it like thus .... say you are a archer lined up against a enemy force ... there are many of them to choose from as a "target" upon which to let your arrow fly ... as you are in the process of choosing your "random" target --one of the enemies armor catches the sun just right and shines brightly * thus you now aim tat the "shiny target" that stands out from the dull others --death likes a shiny target ...

 

[ivan salis]

think of it like thus .... say you are (death) a archer lined up against a enemy force ... there are many of them to choose from as a "target" upon which to let your arrow fly ... as you are in the process of choosing your "random" target --one of the enemies armor catches the sun just right and shines brightly * thus you now aim at the "shiny target" that stands out from the dull others --death likes a shiny target ...thus in a manner of speaking --death often picks those who shine brightly and stand out in a crowd...

 

[senior deacon]

L.C. Jefferson's Masonic membership has been debated almost to death. I think that Jefferson was at the Lodge of the Nine Muses. As a guest at a dinner. His name was never in the minutes or members attendance register. No record has been found in any symbolic lodge or grand lodge of him being initiated, passed, or being raised. Because of his love of philosophy and the founding of the country he was in tune with the masons. There for it was assumed that he was a Free mason. Until a document is found he will be revered as one of the founding fathers, writer of the constitution, and one of the nation's greatest men and one of the faces on Mt. Rushmore. But not a Free Mason.

S.D.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

L.C. Jefferson's Masonic membership has been debated almost to death. I think that Jefferson was at the Lodge of the Nine Muses. As a guest at a dinner. His name was never in the minutes or members attendance register. No record has been found in any symbolic lodge or grand lodge of him being initiated, passed, or being raised. Because of his love of philosophy and the founding of the country he was in tune with the masons. There for it was assumed that he was a Free mason. Until a document is found he will be revered as one of the founding fathers, writer of the constitution, and one of the nation's greatest men and one of the faces on Mt. Rushmore. But not a Free Mason.

S.D.

Perhaps he was raised in a closed lodge meeting with only the selected few? Perhaps it was not the Freemasons he was raised in, but still a lodge created within the Freemasons.

L.C.

 

[senior deacon]

Maybe a clandestine lodge? Anything is possible also let us not forget that he could have been made a mason on/at sight. Remember that Dr.Warren, Paul Rever, and BENJAMIN FRANKLIN were all free masons and also Grand Masters. They would have the power to do such a thing. I am not saying this happened just that there was a close friendship between Franklin and Jefferson. Also Franklin advised Jefferson on the finer point of the constitution or should I say how he thought it would be better. Am sure that at any rate he was held in great regards by the fraternity. BTW the Grand Lodge of Louisiana has always had a close relationship with the Grand Lodge (Orient) of France. The reason for the Masonic rites for Jefferson as a courtesy to the Grand Lodge of France. We will never know for sure but for every legend there is a bit of truth that lays somewhere.

S.D.

 

[senior deacon]

L.C. as a different but related thought the same thing can be drawn between Jefferson and J. Sterling Morton. What lodge was he raised in? Look at Lewis Cass and Benjamin Franklin and the connection starts to make more sense. Cause and effect, chain of events, all this Chaos makes perfect sense.

S.D.

L.C. Holy Buckets in rereading Lewis Cass bio he served as grand master three times in two different states. Now there are many other things that happened at the time he was Grand Master in Ohio. For another post at another time.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

L.C. Jefferson's Masonic membership has been debated almost to death. I think that Jefferson was at the Lodge of the Nine Muses. As a guest at a dinner. His name was never in the minutes or members attendance register. No record has been found in any symbolic lodge or grand lodge of him being initiated, passed, or being raised. Because of his love of philosophy and the founding of the country he was in tune with the masons. There for it was assumed that he was a Free mason. Until a document is found he will be revered as one of the founding fathers, writer of the constitution, and one of the nation's greatest men and one of the faces on Mt. Rushmore. But not a Free Mason.

S.D.

AGREE! He had MANY FRIENDS, who were FreeMasons...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Maybe a clandestine lodge? Anything is possible also let us not forget that he could have been made a mason on/at sight. Remember that Dr.Warren, Paul Rever, and BENJAMIN FRANKLIN were all free masons and also Grand Masters. They would have the power to do such a thing. I am not saying this happened just that there was a close friendship between Franklin and Jefferson. Also Franklin advised Jefferson on the finer point of the constitution or should I say how he thought it would be better. Am sure that at any rate he was held in great regards by the fraternity. BTW the Grand Lodge of Louisiana has always had a close relationship with the Grand Lodge (Orient) of France. The reason for the Masonic rites for Jefferson as a courtesy to the Grand Lodge of France. We will never know for sure but for every legend there is a bit of truth that lays somewhere.

S.D.

TJ had MANY "buddies"; FreeMasons, Rosicrucians, Martinists, Illuminati...

 

[L.C. BAKER]

"Maybe a clandestine lodge?"

I think you are correct S.D. it was the THE KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE......"OLD SCHOOL" , probably one generation below the founders and selected by them just like they would eventually select their replacements. Remember it was T.J. that founded the University of Virginia and Lewis Cass founded the Michigan University, Thomas Jefferson attended the second-oldest institution of higher education in the United States after Harvard University and it was the oldest instutution in the American South. That university was The College of William & Mary in Virginia (also known as William & Mary, or W&M) in Williamsburg, Virginia. Privately founded in 1693 by King William III and Queen Mary II. So did U.S. Presidents James Monroe, and John Tyler as well as other key figures important to the development of the nation, including U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall, Speaker of the House Henry Clay, and 16 signers of the Declaration of Independence. The establishment of graduate programs in law and medicine in 1779 makes it one of the first universities in the United States. If you read my book you also know about good old Transylvania University
and it's ties to the "A Team" as well. It's too bad we will never see the minutes from some of those first clandestine meetings that took place in the 1700's cloaked in a Forrest somewhere under the full moon. Sorry, Popplerhill didn't mean to high jack your thread!

L.C.

 

[senior deacon]

Yes Popplerhill not my intention ether. The good part about this group is the discussion we have. Start out on one subject and end up in another. That is sometimes where the best ideas come from. Sometimes somethings become more clear. Thank you for your patience.

S.D.

 

[releventchair]

A shining mark would make for an easier target. No strange feat to some.
Interesting work and some fine rifles.
Apologies if too far off topic.

Longrifles with Masonic Symbols

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A shining mark would make for an easier target. No strange feat to some.
Interesting work and some fine rifles.
Apologies if too far off topic.

Longrifles with Masonic Symbols

GREAT! THANKS for sharing!

 

[10claw]

Many thanks Relevent, those rifles are extremely beautiful, AND, at the same time shows that the older generations had a lot of pride in their work. Todays things just do not compare.

 

[releventchair]

Golden mean proportion vs Archimedes's in seeking beauty and balance of scale when gunmakers reached the "golden age" of building leaves no surprise that a craftsmen's guild would relate. Besides personal arms.

The Golden Mean