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Iron Patch said:
Timekiller said:
Iron Patch said:
Maybe a scabbard tip/finial. I have found quite a few so it would probably make the most sense for my location.
You got it. :wink: Sorry about that I was just in to the cap boxes & stuff the other day looking at mine so it was what came to me first. :coffee2:

Hey, I didn't know for sure either, and all I care about is seeing the right answer in the end. People like you :wink: just keep it interesting. :laughing7:
Hey it was getting to the edge of are realm. :laughing7: :laughing7: ;D :headbang:
 

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If we all agree, green check please billpa
 

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author=Iron Patch



Now that I think about it I believe the scabbard tips are all brass? Anyway if it's from a cartridge box I'm surprised how many turn up here.

IP, From what I can remember (and at this time of year, it might not be much; LOL) there were some CW scabbard tips made of lead; especially in North Carolina. ;D Breezie
 

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I thought that I would just interject my own opinion on what most people are referring to as a suspender buckle. This opinion of course is only coming from what I have gleaned over my 36 yrs. of being in this fantastic hobby. Though it may have been used for suspenders, I believe that it was designed for pants, vests, pantaloons, etc. The webbing to go through these would have to of been 3/4" wide or slightly larger to fit in the 1" to 1 1/8" that are the common size for this type of buckle. From what I have gleaned "on pants back and vest back straps the material is sewn typically tapered with a binder inside and a facing of polished cotton on the back". Iron buckles that were japanned appear to be more common on original garments from the 1850's and 60's. (these were seen on a collection of original clothing from a personal friend who has researched this extensively) I can't imagine a fellow using such a narrow piece of webbing to hold his pants up. But then again, when out in the field they probably did what they had to do to keep them pants up.

Another reason I have this opinion of what this type of buckle was used for is because there is a reenactment supplier that sells this type of buckle on his web site. Here is his description of it........"Extant examples of this buckle often vary in styling, but all bear the raised letters PATENT 1855. We intend to produce other styles manufactured under this patent, but this is the first in the series. This buckle is taken from an original which was found on a vest back in our collection. This buckle will admit a strap of 1" and is perfect for canteen straps, vest and trouser belt backs. It is available in either black or gilt finish". http://www.njsekela.com/OSCommerce/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=280

Also the typical suspender buckle takes a webbing of 1 1/4" to 1 1/2 " as seen in numerous dags. and ambros. I have enclosed a few pics. of some pants/vest/canteen strap buckles next to some suspender buckles I have found "out west"

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These are the more common ones I find and have personally seen on the backs of trousers
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Style in question and also ones made of brass not as stout as those above
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Kuger was absolutely right in my opinion as these being used for trousers.

I hope I have shed some light to what these are in my eyes anyway. Everyone can draw there own conclusion and once again they might have very well been used to hold up somebody's pants as a suspender. I hope they achieved that goal!!!!

Thanks for letting me share!
IM
 

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IronMan, good post :thumbsup: I think you might find this earlier post. . .ahhh, somewhat interesting and besides, I wouldn't want to deny Kuger the opportunity to take a stroll down memory lane. :laughing7: :laughing7:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,297892.0.html

IM, We had a very unusual discussion on this same buckle with input from quite a colorful poster. Some of these post were deleted, but there's enough there for you to understand our 'humor' when it comes to these buckles.

;D Breezie
 

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Wow! Thanks Breezie, I guess I missed out on all the action last year!! :laughing9: And I thought I was helping the cause. :laughing7: I don't get on here much anymore, I guess I better check in a little more often!!

Merry Christmas!!
IM
 

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Ironman! said:
Wow! Thanks Breezie, I guess I missed out on all the action last year!! :laughing9: And I thought I was helping the cause. :laughing7: I don't get on here much anymore, I guess I better check in a little more often!!

Merry Christmas!!
IM

Oh, IM, no need for apologies; I just wanted you to be 'in the know' of one of TNet's best running jokes. BTW, your pics were great :icon_thumleft: Breezie
 

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Great post I.M!!Thank you!!!It has long been debated and is all the time mis ided.

Ah,yes Breeze,that was a 'doozie"!!! :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:
 

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For the trendy look of retro vintage jeans, and a budget that allows for $$$ clothing, a pair handmade American jeans can be ordered, that are a near mirror image of the fine clothing of a century ago. 8) Neustadter Brothers well made working man's pants, are alive again, through Rising Sun Jeans Company's fine re-creations. ;D

Sheldon Hartshorn's patent strap buckle, is still in use today, on cinch-strap vintage style clothing. :icon_thumright:

Note as well, the vintage style vest featured further down this blog page: http://risingsunjeans.com/blog/

CC Hunter
 

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"Nuestadter".......very cool CC,they also had an awesome advertisement two piece buckle as well ;D :wink:
 

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Great post Ironman and CC. Are we all in agreement?
 

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