"Cut" coin ID needed

[Woodland Detectors]

"Cut" coin ID needed

Interesting Bit. What is it?Thanks!

 

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[AU24K]

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The US, in it's infancy, tended to use the coinage from other countries. The preferred coinage had reeded or milled edges for easier detection of shaving from the edges. If you shaved only a little silver off of enough coins, eventually you'd have enough silver to make another coin. This idea was carried over into our own minted silver and gold coinage.
Scott

 

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[Kyle PA]

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It is called a pistareen. Here is a well-written article on their circulation throughout the Tobacco Colonies: http://data.numismatics.org/cnl/Pistareens.pdf

Get back to that site right now! There are more early relics waiting to be found!

Kyle

 

[IronSpike]

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It is called a pistareen. Here is a well-written article on their circulation throughout the Tobacco Colonies: http://data.numismatics.org/cnl/Pistareens.pdf

Get back to that site right now! There are more early relics waiting to be found!

Kyle

Great article on the link

Agree hurry back to the site for more great relics

 

[BuckleBoy]

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Killer Pistareen! Wooo hoo!


Dug in North Carolina?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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It is called a pistareen. Here is a well-written article on their circulation throughout the Tobacco Colonies: http://data.numismatics.org/cnl/Pistareens.pdf

Get back to that site right now! There are more early relics waiting to be found!

Kyle

I understand now. Good link. These Pistareen coins were minted in Spain and were originally never intended to be used outside the mainland but were used by the American colonists. The one pictured has a mint mark of S, I think for Seville. The more cruder Cobs with a slightly higher silver content were hastily minted in the colonies at about the same time..

I think early 1700's King Phillip is the closest we can get.

Mike, if you make a complete circle what is the diameter? Is it equal to a quarter or is it larger?

 

[Woodland Detectors]

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Wow You talk about some great education. Great stuff. Cy, I would have to say a size of a half American dollar. OK, From what I'm understanding from the reading was that these "bits" cut, were were double value to a comparable cut Reale. Correct?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Wow You talk about some great education. Great stuff. Cy, I would have to say a size of a half American dollar. OK, From what I'm understanding from the reading was that these "bits" cut, were were double value to a comparable cut Reale. Correct?

Somebody correct me if Im wrong but I think a half dollar size would be a 4 Reale. If it was cut into 4 equal parts, each bit would be worth 1 Reale.

A silver dollar size would be an 8 Reale. Cut into 4 equal parts would be 2 reales each or 2 bits each. Also called a "piece of eight." Did you ever hear someone say gimme 2 bits. (a quarter)

You have a 1 bit, value 1 Reale. (1 dollar) It was cut from an early 1700's 4 Reale King Phillip. The only part left to ID is what the "J" is for. Mackaydon will know.


Also when someone cut a Reale, they would shave off a sliver and that is why they are slightly underweight like yours appears to be..

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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I asked Mackaydon about the "J" assayers mark and he found that it is Juan Jose Garcia Caballero and he was the assayer at the Seville, Spain mint during the rein of King Phillip V. I dont know the years yet. I have seen coins with this "J" mark from 1721-1725 at least. http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/1721-Spain-P...0|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50

 

[Woodland Detectors]

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Juan Garcia.Thanks Cy For all the help...mike

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Im sorry if Im being redundant, but to sum it all up, you have a 1 reale (1 dollar) bit cut from a 4 Reale King Phillip V Pistareen used in the American colony of North Carolina, minted in Seville Spain in the 1720's and the assayer was Juan Jose Garcia Caballero who stamped his mark "J".

I think this could be considered for honorable mention.

 

[bravowhiskey]

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That is a nice piece!
I'm curious, what did they use to cut them?

BW

 

[Woodland Detectors]

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Thanks CY and great ID for education I now explain to the kids and adults here the history...They love it!

 

[IronSpike]

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Im sorry if Im being redundant, but to sum it all up, you have a 1 reale (1 dollar) bit cut from a 4 Reale King Phillip V Pistareen used in the American colony of North Carolina, minted in Seville Spain in the 1720's and the assayer was Juan Jose Garcia Caballero who stamped his mark "J".

I think this could be considered for honorable mention.

Bigcypresshunter 'honorable mention' is Banner in my My vote is in

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Great find,
I also have found these pistareens i think, right here in Ky. Me and a old hunting buddy was looking for a CW skirmish site and was checking a couple of fords on the river. We actually dug 3 of these quarter pieces and one whole 4 real. We at first thought it was quarter pieces that were being used by the confederates, but we had also found other coinage from 1820' to 1830's. We also had found some buttons that I actually have had identified here on TNET as very early 1800's buttons.
Don't want to highjack the thread in anyway, but I have been waiting to see these pieces show up on here and learn some history on the pieces.

Awesome Finds and hope your able to locate other great items at your site as well.

, Nova Treasure

I dont think you would be hijacking if you posted a pic. Would lov to see them.

 

[nova treasure]

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Great find,
I also have found these pistareens i think, right here in Ky. Me and a old hunting buddy was looking for a CW skirmish site and was checking a couple of fords on the river. We actually dug 3 of these quarter pieces and one whole 4 real. We at first thought it was quarter pieces that were being used by the confederates, but we had also found other coinage from 1820' to 1830's. We also had found some buttons that I actually have had identified here on TNET as very early 1800's buttons.
Don't want to highjack the thread in anyway, but I have been waiting to see these pieces show up on here and learn some history on the pieces.

Awesome Finds and hope your able to locate other great items at your site as well.

, Nova Treasure

I dont think you would be hijacking if you posted a pic. Would lov to see them.

I don't want to be a highjacker, so i removed my post. It's a long story of why i can't post a pic and pretty upsetting, because I would have Love to share them.

Nova Treasure

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Great find,
I also have found these pistareens i think, right here in Ky. Me and a old hunting buddy was looking for a CW skirmish site and was checking a couple of fords on the river. We actually dug 3 of these quarter pieces and one whole 4 real. We at first thought it was quarter pieces that were being used by the confederates, but we had also found other coinage from 1820' to 1830's. We also had found some buttons that I actually have had identified here on TNET as very early 1800's buttons.
Don't want to highjack the thread in anyway, but I have been waiting to see these pieces show up on here and learn some history on the pieces.

Awesome Finds and hope your able to locate other great items at your site as well.

, Nova Treasure

I dont think you would be hijacking if you posted a pic. Would lov to see them.

I don't want to be a highjacker, so i removed my post. It's a long story of why i can't post a pic and pretty upsetting, because I would have Love to share them.

Nova Treasure

I dont think you are hijacking at all. People post pics all the time when they find a similar relic. I already posted another pic in reply #3.

You can always start a new post and we can ID them for you. But if there is another reason than I understand and its too bad... sorry.

 

[Woodland Detectors]

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Nova by all means, please post those! I would love to see them as well.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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That is a nice piece!
I'm curious, what did they use to cut them?

BW

It says here they were cut with a hammer and a knife.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...of+eight&hl=en&sa=G&ei=VPlYSqTHLMrbmQebyM2vAQ

 

[Woodland Detectors]

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That certainly makes sence. Interesting Paranormal site CY! lol

 

[StogieJim]

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Hi,

I found a nice report on this topic and will send you a copy if you want. Please send email (all interested are welcome).

Jim