CTX Discrimination & Silver - Iron Bounce & No Audio?

Coin Sniper

Jr. Member
Oct 16, 2012
25
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Miami, Florida
Detector(s) used
Minelab CTX-3030
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Hello all,

I'm having an issue with the CTX that I need some help with.

First of all, let me just throw in the fact that I've only had the CTX for a few months and that this is my first-ever metal detector, so to say that I'm a newbie is an understatement. :laughing7:

I've been getting out and practicing as much as time will allow and I'm having lots of fun finding stuff with my wife and kids, which was the point of getting a detector in the first place. In order for me to learn the visual side of this machine, I've taken a notebook with me and I've been writing down all of the FE-CO numbers I've personally dug up. I've also added the FE-CO numbers of clad and rings that I've thrown out in my backyard. Finally, I've taken the liberty of adding the FE-CO numbers that I've been able to see on many of the videos I've watched. The idea here was to build a database of FE-CO numbers so that I could try to identify what was in the ground before even cutting a plug or moving any sand or rocks. I've called a few out and my kids now think that I'm a mind reader, so I guess I'm on the right track. ;)

After going over the database of numbers with my oldest son, we noticed that almost everything I've written down resides somewhere on the FE 12 line. The two exceptions, so far, are one item on the FE 11 line and another on the FE 13 line. Using this data as the basis for building an aggressive discrimination pattern, we decided to create a discrimination pattern to eliminate everything from FE lines 1-10 and FE lines 14-35, leaving only FE lines 11-13 available. Yes, I agree that this is an unconventional discrimination pattern, but we had an awesome time pulling clad out of a rocky beach a couple of weeks ago!

Here's where things get confusing for me:

Yesterday, I decided to take out some oddball coins that I've had stored away for years and run the coil over them in my backyard. Within those coins, I happened across a tarnished 1890 Morgan silver dollar. To my surprise, running the discrimination pattern that my son and I set up, I was getting a pretty steady 12-42 on the visual, but no audio whatsoever because the CTX was simultaneously bouncing towards 35-50. Obviously, this confused me and prompted some questions:

1) In Ferrous-Coin mode, does a Morgan silver dollar read 12-42 with an iron bounce to the extreme lower right corner? I have ZERO experience with silver coins, so maybe it's doing what it's supposed to do?

2) Whenever I've dug anything with an echo that far down in the chart, it's always been junk. Is this a correct assessment?

3) If I run this particular discrimination pattern and happen across something silver (assuming the iron bounce over silver items to be correct) or something that has a nail next to it and the CTX kills all of the audio (due to the simultaneous iron reading), if I happen to not be looking at the video screen at that moment and miss that big red "dig me" dot on the screen, I'll have essentially walked over a worthy target and not even have known it, right?

What do you think about this? I highly doubt that I've missed any Morgans (;D), but I don't want to imagine that I've been doing things correctly only to find out at a later date that I've been leaving good targets in the ground.

As an example, I took this quick video with my phone. At first, I show that the ground is clean. After, I toss down the Morgan and swing over it with an open screen. You can see the 12-42 and the bounce down to iron and hear the external speaker doing its job. When I switch over to the discriminated screen, however, all the sounds disappear, but the video screen continues to do its job correctly.

[video=vimeo;57487635]http://vimeo.com/57487635[/video]

Thanks in advance for your time and efforts!
 

You are knocking out a lot of good targets eliminating 1-10 and 14-35... At most start 25-35, larger silvers are often 1/40 something. If I understood you correctly.
 

But yes...ferrous coin will not always give an audio response, in your case it may be related to your disc setting I've only had it happen in extreme test where I placed an iron washer larger than the coin directly over the coin. Ferrous coin mode saw the coin and gave a beautiful visual but no audio.
 

Descrimination is the DEVIL! The amount of descrimintaion you used is killing you.

Look up Gone Huntings settings, that will open that CTX wide open and turn it into a beast.

I highly recommend you trash that discrimination screen you showed and never use it again. If you used it much at all you missed many good targets. :(
 

Hey Coin Sniper - you certainally have bitten off a lot to learn the CTX for your very first detector - you deffinately have a lengthy learning curve to be sure - I completely concur with Bart and Hosensack - If you stay with the discrimination patterns you described you will definately be leaving treasure in the ground - please look up Gonehunting's video on the open combined settings program for the CTX - you will be happy you did believe me. Gonehunting is a great guy - I have talked with him - he is very helpful. Also, go the the forum on the different brands of detectors and read what others are doing on the CTX - I have found some awsome stuff in the past month or so with the CTX - I will be posting some awsome finds in the next several days including 2 morgans I dug at 12" deep stuck together in the same hole - by the way I got a faint 12-42 reading on these morgans but it was consistant - so I dug it - I did the 5 minute happy dance. Also, I believe different soil mineralizations will cause different readings as well. Stay with it and stay encouraged - the CTX will pay off big time.
 

please look up Gonehunting's video on the open combined settings program for the CTX - you will be happy you did believe me. Gonehunting is a great guy - I have talked with him - he is very helpful.

Very good program and guy! Much to be learned from him!
 

You are knocking out a lot of good targets eliminating 1-10 and 14-35... At most start 25-35, larger silvers are often 1/40 something. If I understood you correctly.

Hosensack, this was just an experiment that my oldest son and I put together. In ferrous-coin mode, the Morgan hits solidly on the FE 12 line. I ground-coin mode, however, the Morgan hits on the FE 1 line, as you've stated. In my case, since I'm trying to teach myself to listen to the audio before looking at the video signatures displayed on the screen, this particular scenario with the Morgan would've failed and I would've walked right over it because of the iron bounce that I was experiencing. In ferrous-coin mode, I had a beautiful video signature on the screen, but no audio because the iron bounce was being discriminated out. I know that I have a long way to go, but this is one of those hurdles that I need to understand before I proceed. If I don't figure this scenario out in my head, it'll be that much more difficult to learn the machine.

But yes...ferrous coin will not always give an audio response, in your case it may be related to your disc setting I've only had it happen in extreme test where I placed an iron washer larger than the coin directly over the coin. Ferrous coin mode saw the coin and gave a beautiful visual but no audio.

In the video I posted, I made sure that I had a clean ground before dropping the Morgan. What I can't figure out is WHY I'm getting an iron bounce? Since I am experiencing that iron bounce and iron is discriminated out, I'm not getting the associated audio that would alert me to the coin. I imagine that I'm just missing something, but I need to know what that something is so that I can learn the machine a little better.

Descrimination is the DEVIL! The amount of descrimintaion you used is killing you.

Look up Gone Huntings settings, that will open that CTX wide open and turn it into a beast.

I highly recommend you trash that discrimination screen you showed and never use it again. If you used it much at all you missed many good targets. :(

Bart, I'm with you. I already downloaded Evan's programs and Exchanged them into my machine last night. Although I ended up with the same results, I'm still soaking up all of the information and having a great time in the process! Thanks, again, for your suggestions. I do appreciate them!

Hey Coin Sniper - you certainally have bitten off a lot to learn the CTX for your very first detector - you deffinately have a lengthy learning curve to be sure - I completely concur with Bart and Hosensack - If you stay with the discrimination patterns you described you will definately be leaving treasure in the ground - please look up Gonehunting's video on the open combined settings program for the CTX - you will be happy you did believe me. Gonehunting is a great guy - I have talked with him - he is very helpful. Also, go the the forum on the different brands of detectors and read what others are doing on the CTX - I have found some awsome stuff in the past month or so with the CTX - I will be posting some awsome finds in the next several days including 2 morgans I dug at 12" deep stuck together in the same hole - by the way I got a faint 12-42 reading on these morgans but it was consistant - so I dug it - I did the 5 minute happy dance. Also, I believe different soil mineralizations will cause different readings as well. Stay with it and stay encouraged - the CTX will pay off big time.

MD, as you can see from my previous post to Bart, I have Evan's programs loaded up and ready to go. Thank you for your suggestion and good luck to you on your future hunts!
 

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