Couple more nutting stones!

[choo]

I went creek hunting Wednesday & found a couple more nutting stones! The red one is really cool has multiple cups on both sides!

 

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[Peridot613!]

I went creek hunting Wednesday & found a couple more nutting stones! The red one is really cool has multiple cups on both sides!

Well this is a little embarrassing. I just dug up the stone and I have no idea what it could be except that I’m now ruling out a nutting stone

 

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[Missouri Breaks]

The smaller and incomplete divots including the semilunar and square shaped ones indicate an erosion pattern. While we see the presence of some symmetrical rounded holes, the overall pattern of multiple erosion indentations has to be considered when analyzing the rocks.

 

[Peridot613!]

The smaller and incomplete divots including the semilunar and square shaped ones indicate an erosion pattern. While we see the presence of some symmetrical rounded holes, the overall pattern of multiple erosion indentations has to be considered when analyzing the rocks.

Thank you for your input.

 

[Missouri Breaks]

It’s wonderful for people to be enthusiastic when they find something interesting or even suspicious, but we need to remember to post not just the possible striking or working surface of something that has sparked intrigue but also the would be held side and the side views. Also, the type of material needs to be in the discussion especially when questioning anything in the pestle, hammer, nutting stone class of artifacts, essentially anything that needs to be durable. Additionally, one should be able To discuss the particular types of food stuffs in question, for example acorns, bay nuts, buckeye pods etc. so as to deepen the understanding a given object. That way the analysis can become a valuable exercise

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Check out holes made by Piddock Clams. I believe that is what you have.

 

[Peridot613!]

Check out holes made by Piddock Clams. I believe that is what you have.

I looked it up and yes it’s another interesting theory. The location of my find is nowhere near water though.
I’d never heard of Piddocks Clams; amazing that they can bore through Stone!

 

[Goldfinger450]

just like on the internet, just because it was in a book does not make it true. There is no sign that these were worked, like the pecking from forming and impact marks from use(see examples provided by relic grubber). There are a few people on this site that have more experience and info that what is in some of those books....I suggest you at least listen to what they have to say and why they say it before you continue to dismiss them. Or else you could be losing out on valuable knowledge

I have one nutting stone in my hand that is a nutting stone, a grinder and no matter how it is held is comfortable in the hand also for digging roots and snapping twigs off dry trees for fire kindling. , The indians here harvested a lot of acorns and this stone is perfect for that.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

This is not a nutting stone..looks like some odd natural erosion.

Ceremonial rhythmic pounding cause these cupules. Not saying that’s what you have, but not all alterations of stone are intended to be utilitarian in nature.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

I have one that I dug out of a shelter with multiple cupulets on both sides. Grinding stones and also nutting stone are usually worked on both sides. I have a lot of them but each was dug in context with artifacts. I have seen mother nature make them as well. I know the ones I have with multiple dips was photographed by and archeologist as they are really kinda rare. It is thick and heavy. I can take a pic of it if you wish?
HH

Please do?!

 

[Fat]

This is not a nutting stone..looks like some odd natural erosion.

Ceremonial rhythmic pounding cause these cupules. Not saying that’s what you have, but not all alterations of stone are intended to be utilitarian in nature.

... how did you come to this conclusion? It looks like more natural weather erosion...

 

[Tesorodeoro]

... how did you come to this conclusion? It looks like more natural weather erosion...

Ishumpi Rain Rock

Thomas Doty is an award-winning native storyteller. He lives in southern Oregon.

www.dotycoyote.com

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Ishumpi Rain Rock

Thomas Doty is an award-winning native storyteller. He lives in southern Oregon.

www.dotycoyote.com

It’s said the cupules were to make it rain and the incisions were to make it snow. A diagonal incision across would make it stop snowing. Lots of folklore. There are also links to fertility rituals in other areas.

 

[Fat]

Ishumpi Rain Rock

Thomas Doty is an award-winning native storyteller. He lives in southern Oregon.

www.dotycoyote.com

... still complete conjecture...

 

[Tesorodeoro]

It’s said the cupules were to make it rain and the incisions were to make it snow. A diagonal incision across would make it stop snowing. Lots of folklore. There are also links to fertility rituals in other areas.

FAT, this is an interesting read if you have the time.

https://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/anthpubs/ucb/text/ucas020-004.pdf

 

[Tesorodeoro]

... still complete conjecture...

I suppose if you completely discount documented oral testimony by the native people in 1900. I don’t. You likely won’t EVER get any better info than that. It’s a known practice world wide.

Robert Heizer - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Fat]

FAT, this is an interesting read if you have the time.

https://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/anthpubs/ucb/text/ucas020-004.pdf

...more lore and legend. Look up turtle and eagle native stories...

 

[Tesorodeoro]

...more lore and legend. Look up turtle and eagle native stories...

Not sure what more you want.
I wasn’t there nor can any of us go back in time to ask. I am only sharing what has been documented. Perhaps they just were just fascinated with weathered stones. Who knows.

 

[Fat]

... go use it, make it rain, make it snow, it is all folk lore and legend...

 

[Tesorodeoro]

FAT, I’ve answered your inquiry in post #30. All the pictures I posted are of the same boulder.

I can’t say ANY of their ceremonial traditions are based on science, nor that they worked. All we have to go on is oral testimony and a handful of recovered stones matching the description. In my particular area they seem to have used steatite for one reason or another.

Are you thinking that I am defending that they actually worked to make it rain or are you just yanking my chain??

 

[newnan man]

This is not a nutting stone..looks like some odd natural erosion.

Ceremonial rhythmic pounding cause these cupules. Not saying that’s what you have, but not all alterations of stone are intended to be utilitarian in nature.

That looks natural, nothing man made.