Counterfeit KG 11 -possible 2nd one

[Ed-NH]

Hi all,

I got out yesterday with my partner. We went to an old tavern site that we have been to before. I found a beat up Liberty Head nickel 1911. We then went across the street to another field that we went to last year. This is where I found the counterfeit KG ll that is in my avatar. My first target in this field (front of the house) was what appears to be another counterfeit KG ll. This one has a date 1753, very flat large features, file marks around the edges, very porous texture and it is out of round. My detector reads this just like a brass rifle cartridge. This composition could explain why there is very little corrosion on it.

The picture of the two coins is the one I just found on the left and the one in my avatar on the right. Note that they both have that dot just in front of his nose. Could these have been cast from the same mold? Do you think that this could be another counterfeit? I am really psyched to think that I may have found two finds of a lifetime in the same field. Thanks for looking 8)

Here is the link to my 1st counterfeit KG ll

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,203514.msg1447814.html#msg1447814

 

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[Don in SJ]

Nice find Ed, does look like a cast counterfeit KGII, congrats! I think you are right about the same mold...

Don

 

[West Jersey Detecting]

Fantastic find, Ed! They look identical to me as well!

WTG!

 

[Iron Patch]

Very cool. Definitely cast and really does look like the same mould. I have never seen anyone find two the same!

 

[dwayne sueno]

sharp eye! i think you're right. perhaps there are more...

 

[Ed-NH]

Thanks for all your replies. I am going to consider this one a counterfeit. I am really wondering if they made them at this house here in my town. This was a wealthy area back then so I would think not but who knows. The odds for finding two and from the same mold must be pretty slim. I am one happy man to find these neat pieces of local history.

 

[allen]

that is awesome !!

 

[Sniffy]

Finding a counterfeit would be awesome in it's own right. NICE

 

[CRUSADER]

Very cool. Definitely cast and really does look like the same mould. I have never seen anyone find two the same!

Took the words from my mouth 8) 8)

 

[goldnow]

I studied your coins, and everything looks exactly the same except the "S" above George's eye, but that could be from the photograph or the centuries of wear.

Congratulations on your find. Magnificent!!!

 

[Iron Patch]

Thanks for all your replies. I am going to consider this one a counterfeit. I am really wondering if they made them at this house here in my town. This was a wealthy area back then so I would think not but who knows. The odds for finding two and from the same mold must be pretty slim. I am one happy man to find these neat pieces of local history.

No considering, they are counterfeit, and I bet there is a real good chance they were made close. Wouldn't it be something if you could find the mould!

 

[IAsoldier]

Never know maybe find a cache full of them. Now that be a surprise of a life time. WTG on the coins.

 

[Ed-NH]

Thanks for all your replies. I am going to consider this one a counterfeit. I am really wondering if they made them at this house here in my town. This was a wealthy area back then so I would think not but who knows. The odds for finding two and from the same mold must be pretty slim. I am one happy man to find these neat pieces of local history.

No considering, they are counterfeit, and I bet there is a real good chance they were made close. Wouldn't it be something if you could find the mould!

Thanks iron patch it is always reassuring when we get your opinion on our finds. I appreciate your thoughts.

 

[Iron Patch]

Thanks for all your replies. I am going to consider this one a counterfeit. I am really wondering if they made them at this house here in my town. This was a wealthy area back then so I would think not but who knows. The odds for finding two and from the same mold must be pretty slim. I am one happy man to find these neat pieces of local history.

No considering, they are counterfeit, and I bet there is a real good chance they were made close. Wouldn't it be something if you could find the mould!

Thanks iron patch it is always reassuring when we get your opinion on our finds. I appreciate your thoughts.

I'd rather be on the receiving end of opinions for finds.

What's too bad is the serious collectors of counterfeits seem to have much less interest in the cast ones. But if you can find the mould, I bet that would change in a hurry... at least for the Ed-NH Variety!!!

 

[Don in SJ]

Well I think that those of us who have found quite a few KGII coppers, should perhaps take a look and see if any more of EdNH varieties have been found elsewhere.

I did a bit or reading about counterfeit Halfpence from the late 1600's to prior to the Federation period, which that era began the numerous KGIII Halfpence counterfeit invasion. From what I can interpet, a lot of the counterfeit KGII Halfpence were made in Birmingham England and were cast type.

Around 1753 to 1754 time frame numerous conterfeits from Birmingham were brought to the colonies, so maybe there are more of EdNH Halfpence out there.


For a great read on Counterfeiting of Colonial era coppers, please read the counterfeiting section on the Notre Dame website. Not only were counterfeits the vast majority of our coppers here in America, but also England had a high percentage of circulating counterfeit coppers.

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/UnattributedCount.intro.html

Don

 

[DMN]

Who knows, maybe they were pressing them very close by. Might be interesting if you collected a few of them there. You may have something of greater significance than just the forgeries themselves. Keep lloking hard.

 

[Don in SJ]

As far as finding a mould, well, I am not sure, but I do not think there would be a surviving mould(mold) since I believe sand casting involves wet sand being the mould with the sand being confined in a larger boxed in area with channels made into the wet sand and "seed" coins place to make the impressions and there would be no mould left to find, since it basically was just wet sand in a confined area (boxed in). If I am wrong on this, please give some reference on other methods of sand casting, but I am just saying I don't think you could find a sand cast mould.

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Casting.intro.html

Don

 

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[MaineRelic]

Ed U R on FIRE~~!!!!!! @ 2 posts right now!!!!! I do not doubt your king george II feit coin ! I have dug a 1800,s king G the III feit half crown!!! I have it still!! I also have a feit silver dollar made by the rebels in the civil war of this great union!!!!

 

[hogge]

"Fantastico!" Two awesome looking coins! Congrats..The Hogge. All I'm finding now are the deteriorated, almost unidentifiable Georgies.