Could This Be a Marker?

[Ankeeland97]

I've got 110 acres in NW Arkansas that has an old wagon trail that used to cut through part of the property. And there are multiple stories of Spanish gold/silver being hidden out here. And several years ago a man actually came out and asked if he could dig for it. And he claimed to have a map. But as far as we know he never found anything. But I've been doing some exploring of the property lately and came across this large boulder that just seems too out of the ordinary to not mean something. I was wondering what you guys thought? View attachment 2107036

I appreciate all the feedback. I certainly wasn't meaning to start an argument. I just find this kind of stuff interesting but I was still a kid when all of this info was first brought up to us. I've lived out here my whole life as well. And the rock is definitely something I haven't ever seen before. At least not on this 110 acres. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's anything more than a freak incident. Whatever the case may be, I think we can all at least agree that it's weird. I will post a few more pictures of the surrounding area and maybe that will help settle everyone down. The picture attached is to show where I'm located in comparison to the Ozark National Forest. Again, I'm not trying to cause any kind of argument. Just curious to see what everyone else thought about it. There really wasn't a right or wrong answer to the post.

 

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[Crosse De Sign]

Awesome! Maybe that will help see more. Shoot each side including the flat rock,
back down towards the freestanding rocks different angles should be nice!
Thanks kindly in advance, & be safe!

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Let me know if you still can't get them to load

I have to say, your 3rd pic you took on a scope & angle like you knew that you were looking at more unusual, than just the large boulder on top. Centered very good, & If one or 2 more steps back were possible, the picture would be even a little more of the whole wide view inclusive. Really Nice pics!

 

[Crosse De Sign]

 

[Ankeeland97]

Sorry it took a bit to get back with everyone. Busy weekend. But I was able to take a few more pictures. The arrow in each picture is pointing to the direction of the boulder. That way you can kind of get an idea of which direction each picture was taken from in comparison to it. I also circled the boulder in red in one or two of the pics because it's hard to see if you don't really know where to look. And then I went ahead and attached a couple pics of a few things that caught my attention. But they could be nothing.
**I also stumbled across a fairly large copperhead on my way back up through the field. Figured I'd add a pic of it since it was part of the hike. It wasn't near the house. So I let him be. No point in punishing it for the fact that I was in its territory. And I know I'm not going to be the one to take over eating the rodents if it's dead lol. My grandpa used to say "The only good snake is a dead one." He'd probably think I was crazy for letting it go.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

I appreciate all the feedback. I certainly wasn't meaning to start an argument. I just find this kind of stuff interesting but I was still a kid when all of this info was first brought up to us. I've lived out here my whole life as well. And the rock is definitely something I haven't ever seen before. At least not on this 110 acres. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's anything more than a freak incident. Whatever the case may be, I think we can all at least agree that it's weird. I will post a few more pictures of the surrounding area and maybe that will help settle everyone down. The picture attached is to show where I'm located in comparison to the Ozark National Forest. Again, I'm not trying to cause any kind of argument. Just curious to see what everyone else thought about it. There really wasn't a right or wrong answer to the post.

Hi, I saw your new pics late last night, & looking at the N/W AR. area on the map you posted,,
there was the significant battle(s) Pea Ridge AR., a National Civil War Historical Site.
The Union Army drove the Confederates out of Mo., further on into N/W AR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pea_Ridge

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Sorry it took a bit to get back with everyone. Busy weekend. But I was able to take a few more pictures. The arrow in each picture is pointing to the direction of the boulder. That way you can kind of get an idea of which direction each picture was taken from in comparison to it. I also circled the boulder in red in one or two of the pics because it's hard to see if you don't really know where to look. And then I went ahead and attached a couple pics of a few things that caught my attention. But they could be nothing.
**I also stumbled across a fairly large copperhead on my way back up through the field. Figured I'd add a pic of it since it was part of the hike. It wasn't near the house. So I let him be. No point in punishing it for the fact that I was in its territory. And I know I'm not going to be the one to take over eating the rodents if it's dead lol. My grandpa used to say "The only good snake is a dead one." He'd probably think I was crazy for letting it go.

Sorry, I'm real mean to all snakes, except black (Bull) snakes that I learned can kill Copperheads,
but will just eat your fresh chicken eggs. Copperheads, Rattlers, nice skins though.
Thanks for getting the extra pics, I'll PM you after studying them a bit.

 

[newnan man]

Just putting this out there but why would someone bury a treasure to hide it, then mark it with a huge stone?

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Possibly in retreat, with something too heavy to travel quickly enough with, is usually the reason.
The Marker too large? If it's not noticed as anything now, ahh it couldn't be... Besides,
it's out of the way from any heavily traveled area trail still, apparently...

~ Sometimes in the course of activities of war,
The Commanding Officer gives an Order,
at his own Experience & Discretion...

Imagine being ordered to make a burial,
in the haste of retreat, during the war fog.
It must be able to be found at a later time,
but look like it was never really even done.
Except for certain noticeable clues to few.

 

[rennes]

Let me know if you still can't get them to load

You need to take closer photos of the rocks after gently brushing off the moss with nylon brush, don't use a wire brush. As I've told here before my old eyes don't see details as the once did, but I do think I see what I outlined with red dots on the pointed stone in lower right of picture. Sure looks like a faintly marked snake in striking pose. This is a danger symbol, not sure but the small marking could be a turtle. It appears there are several small drill holes in a line which would be a distance you need to work out using survey measurements. On the rock about the center of the ravine there appears to be a triangular area cleaned off and possibly an arrow near the center of the symbol representing the large upright triangle stone at the head of the ravine. Don't use flash when taking photos it would remove the shadow signs that are almost always part of the puzzle. The stone with markings has not been there for more than five years since there is little moss and the lichens are small. The cleared patch making the triangle was made not too long ago also. I don't see anything indicating a vault. But we've found explosive traps in stacks of stones. In the traps we found a close look revealed a trigger rock. I'll try to find a photo of same and post it later. Good Luck.... you are in a depository for sure.
HBBB

 

[Crosse De Sign]

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You should be able to figure out, & know who was likely in the area, & were possibly up to, without necessarily needing to read messages on smaller individual rocks. In this spot's case, markers, & also based on your other pics with No apparent trail markers. If anything was done here, other than the secret burial of a General,
it's more than oddly possible, to be right maybe under the covered ledge rockslide pile, that makes
a very deadly & treacherous Death Trap, multiple triggers. Don't know about the gunpowder trap part.
But I doubt if it was really trapped like that, the powder didn't ever get wet & frozen,
in the heavy annual seasons of rain occurring in that Ozark Mountain area.
There could also easily be a covered cave or dugout opening, Death Trapped!

Please Note! : Best not to touch anything, & refrain from walking on the rock-slide pile, as much as possible. Just to be more than cautious about loosening something that could move more, faster than you ever want to see. The angle is with the full advantage of gravity. See what can move, if something in a key area moves, then you'll be seeing it & getting it. Just be really careful, & wait until, & if & when, you make a good, safety first plan. That's the best way to do it, to be sure.

 

[Ankeeland97]

Just putting this out there but why would someone bury a treasure to hide it, then mark it with a huge stone?

Maybe it's not marking the exact location of it. Could be some kind of waypoint to help them navigate their way back to the area they left it. You could put the Eiffel Tower there and it still wouldn't reveal exactly where to dig. But it would definitely help the people that buried it, find the general location later. Especially if it's in the middle of the woods. I'm not going to be able to retrace my tracks if I'm looking for a specific leaf in the middle of the woods. But I'll definitely recognize a big boulder standing up. Which would let me know I'm in the right place. I guess I should have worded my original post differently. I wasn't necessarily meaning that it was on top of treasure. I was asking if it could be a marker in general. Whether it be on top of the treasure or a way back to it.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Maybe it's not marking the exact location of it. Could be some kind of waypoint to help them navigate their way back to the area they left it. You could put the Eiffel Tower there and it still wouldn't reveal exactly where to dig. But it would definitely help the people that buried it, find the general location later. Especially if it's in the middle of the woods. I'm not going to be able to retrace my tracks if I'm looking for a specific leaf in the middle of the woods. But I'll definitely recognize a big boulder standing up. Which would let me know I'm in the right place. I guess I should have worded my original post differently. I wasn't necessarily meaning that it was on top of treasure. I was asking if it could be a marker in general. Whether it be on top of the treasure or a way back to it.

I think you worded your thoughts perfectly, & they may have used markers
along with possibly making a map, according to how much time they had.
They could have stashed extra guns or cannon(s) they couldn't use,
because they were running. Another thing you learn to recognize,
is the unique definite signs of a final resting place in an area.

Maybe you just got more than anyone could ever dream or hope for.
It is really interesting, & it wreaks of something valuable is here signs,
but not something you want people visiting you, to go out & look at.
Yes, I would be very careful. Doesn't need to become a nightmare.

Again, very nice pics, been around NW Ar. a lot. Then there was
also Prairie Grove, further south along the Confederate retreat...
Another battle site, where they were still being pursued...

 

[Crosse De Sign]

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[robertk]

I guess I should have worded my original post differently. I wasn't necessarily meaning that it was on top of treasure. I was asking if it could be a marker in general. Whether it be on top of the treasure or a way back to it.

Sure, it could be. Any notable feature of the landscape could be used as a marker. But not every notable feature is a marker. I wish you the best of luck in figuring it out.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

:This is not natural looking, & of interest.

:Could this have been caused by something made of iron being driven into this boulder?:

It's possible, you may have more good markers not too far away from this place.
Wouldn't hurt to run a good metal detector all around the area, a little at a time. You
never know, what may have been left around there close enough to the surface to locate.
Just watch out for them silent Copperheads & Rattlesnakes.

 

[Ankeeland97]

Here are a few more pictures I was able to get yesterday. Not sure if any of them make much of a difference. But I figured it wouldn't hurt to keep this post as updated as I can.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Here are a few more pictures I was able to get yesterday. Not sure if any of them make much of a difference. But I figured it wouldn't hurt to keep this post as updated as I can.pic 1,

A good bunch of pics. You have a good eye, seeing things lining up, & spotting the groupings
& oddities.
All interesting, a few have noticeable indicators like pic 1, a slightly unusual looking close bunch
of trees. Yes I know old old hardwoods will have a huge stump underground & grow back a few
trees together, just seen it more than once, with other than any kind of reason for normal logging
activity, for example. Other pics are good, having sort of fan stacks of smaller rocks all done purposefully.
The vertical lining up of a few, the heavier boulders in places, you wouldn't be able to move much in several spots without the risk of other rocks moving, maybe even starting a slide, because of what is else is set up just down below the surface & out of sight.
I would look for the turtle shell boulder to possibly make a shadow symbol on the boulder in front
of it, at the right time of year/day.

 

[robertk]

I still just see a whole lot of natural rocks.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

I still just see a whole lot of natural rocks.

You said never have seen a death trap. Try studying the death trap threads & train yourself to see the rocks laid irregularly to natural occurring arrangement & erosion. Go out in the field & look carefully long enough gou might get to where you can see one. The new pics are closer in groups. Can you see a couple spots where they are laying up on end sideways, 3 or so in a row. With a gap in one spot, & heavy boulders above, supported by smaller ones ready to move & allow more movement? Study death traps, then you will most likely begin to see the design.
Take pics of similar "natural rocks" where you can, & really look at them on your computer screen to compare, you may see something more in these pics. I've looked at death traps in the field for about 20 yrs., taken pics & studied to learn from other people showing them & marking the rocks that will move & allow more & bigher ones to move including boulders placed to sit there forever, until someone moves the right (wrong) rocks. One guy in Utah used to show us in this forum pics of some, & he'd trip them intentionally, carefully, & successfully. There not all on this much of a downhill grade, but with the gravity involved here, dig & remove rock's in the right places with the weight above, it comes sliding or rolling down in your lap or onto your head. Study Death Traps, you may never need the knowledge.in the field, but it will satisfy your mind about them, how they look, work, move from enough disturbance in the right places.
The thing is, this is a well marked death trap, with a few Spanish oriented carved, shaped markers. They used tombstones too. Just not really the complete layout they would do unless maybe the fierce Osage or Commanche had them in a bind & was killing them.