Could these be trade beads? (site video and pics added)

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So, a few months ago, passing over a small stream ( it runs in the spring and with heavy rains ) on my regular hunting grounds I noticed a few of these here beads. Well... going back after heavy rains I manage to pick up a few at a time, and now have a little handful. I'm asking myself though if it's worth it (still kinda fun picking them up though). Anyway take a look, and as usual any input is greatly appreciated.
By the way they are glass :)
 

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Re: Could these be trade beads?

Depends on where and how they were found...details? They do look like trade beads though.
 

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romeo-1 said:
Depends on where and how they were found...details? They do look like trade beads though.
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I'll post some pics of the area w/ details in a while (gotta take 'em). I'm kinda looking for initial impressions first.
(I'm curious though, if you could expand in terms of how? If I understand correctly - I eyeballed 'em ( it's amazing the things you can sometimes find just by standing still and looking ))
 

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Re: Could these be trade beads?

They look like trade beads and obviously washed down from somewhere. I'd look upstream and see what I could find. A cache maybe? Monty
 

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They don't look like they've been in the ground for a long time, and the colors don't look particularly early to me, but I'm just going off the trade beads I've found in the southern US and caribbean... Of course in Canada they might have been in use well into the 1900's, so maybe they are just later examples than what I've seen.

There are some trade bead forums out there that I've used to help me identify trade beads I've dug, I'm sure one of the bead experts out there can tell you all about them.
 

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Look like the ones I find....that are :thumbsup:
 

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Mostly they don't look old. Shape, size, and color are what we go by. Can you take some more pics?

Basically, beads are made in a few ways...

1. a glass tube is drawn out, and chopped into smaller sections, that may or may not be rounded off afterwards (cane beads).

2. a thread of glass is wound around a mandrel (Wound beads).

3. a lump of glass is put in a mold (molded or Prosser beads).

4. a lump of glass is blown into a mold (mold blown).

The darker browns and blacks, and the darker green ones look old to me. The apple green, bright blue, and the tile beads are pretty modern.

Of course, "old" for Montréal is different from "old" in California. :laughing9:
 

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Lucas said:
Mostly they don't look old. Shape, size, and color are what we go by. Can you take some more pics?

Basically, beads are made in a few ways...

1. a glass tube is drawn out, and chopped into smaller sections, that may or may not be rounded off afterwards (cane beads).

2. a thread of glass is wound around a mandrel (Wound beads).

3. a lump of glass is put in a mold (molded or Prosser beads).

4. a lump of glass is blown into a mold (mold blown).

The darker browns and blacks, and the darker green ones look old to me. The apple green, bright blue, and the tile beads are pretty modern.

Of course, "old" for Montréal is different from "old" in California. :laughing9:
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How do you know mine came from Cali Lucas? :o
You are right though,I cant say I have ever found apple green ones.Some of those look like the real deal though?
 

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Lucas said:
Can you take some more pics?
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As soon as I get a new camera I'll take some better pics.

You've given me quite a lot to work with though in terms of research though, thanks.
 

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kuger said:
How do you know mine came from Cali Lucas? :o
You are right though,I cant say I have ever found apple green ones. Some of those look like the real deal though?
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Oh yeah some good ones there I think. West coast has a whole different bead history. Lots of Chinese beads too. Montréal, well, from Champlain to now... that's a long time, and a continuous Native presence. With surface finds, you can (and do!) get really old right along side of dropped last week.

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You could try a email to the guy who runs Glass River Beads. Sort of a bead ID guru.

http://www.glassriverbeads.com/order.htm
 

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Lucas said:
kuger said:
How do you know mine came from Cali Lucas? :o
You are right though,I cant say I have ever found apple green ones. Some of those look like the real deal though?
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Oh yeah some good ones there I think. West coast has a whole different bead history. Lots of Chinese beads too. Montréal, well, from Champlain to now... that's a long time, and a continuous Native presence. With surface finds, you can (and do!) get really old right along side of dropped last week.

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You could try a email to the guy who runs Glass River Beads. Sort of a bead ID guru.

http://www.glassriverbeads.com/order.htm




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That is def. a man worked piece.Possibly a "spawl",used to crack blanks off of to flake into other tools or.....a tool in it self?I guess the chance newer beads could be dropped where older beads are is possible,I am thinking yours are at least Indian afilliated
 

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they certainl;y look like the trade beads ive dealt with i do historical reenactments and those look authentic especially the dark green and light blue
 

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Just wait till you find some coral wampum, I have a friend who found 35 of them stuffed in a trade silver thimble, from a fire pit that was 4 feet deep in the ground at a construction site. he also found 2 cruukshank trade silver crosses ( they are real ).......NGE
 

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Re: Could these be trade beads? (site video and pics added) + new beads found

Probably hair pipes. Are they silver?

If you find them with wires, and the other end is closed, THAT IS A BLASTING CAP.
 

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OK changed my mind based on size.

Check this out, from the McCord Museum/Musée McCord:

Cross and necklace by Charles Arnoldi (or the partnership of R. Cruickshank-M. Arnoldi)
 

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Re: Could these be trade beads? (site video and pics added) + new beads found

WoW!!That is cool.Detect that place!!
 

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kuger said:
WoW!!That is cool.Detect that place!!
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I have. I've got an area of a little less then say a square mile, the area the beads I'm finding are within that area. But I am gonna give it another go over come fall (a month or two) and spring. :icon_thumleft:
 

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Re: Could these be trade beads? (site video and pics added) + new beads found

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OK, is there a old scout camp nearby?
 

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Yeah hair pipes... AFAIK, only Scouts made hair pipes from dowels. :wink:

It is possible they are hollowed sumac stems tho. So, is the wire iron/steel, or brass?
 

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