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hogge,

Your USA button is a very nice example and a prized specimen. :icon_thumleft:


VermontPackRat,

Thank you for posting your finds. Finding even one Continental Army USA button is a great thrill. Two is even better! 8-)

The one showing a little cracking and edge flaking, would be best sealed, if not already done. As old pewter is exposed to air, drying over time can cause further edge loss on some examples.


MikeyDigsIt,

I agree, that the reproduction button example in the link posted by The CannonballGuy (and included below) is nearly an identical match in the button face details. Note that the lettering shape and style, rim detail, and other features, all closely match the button you have. There is even a weakness of the rim detail in what we see on the right side of the button, and this is evident in both the reproduction buttons, as well as your example. If the back of these reproduction buttons are showing casting details such as extra material around the shank, drilled hole after casting, minimal mold seam, etc., then we will have a nearly a perfect match in all areas.

View the United States of America "USA" Pewter Button, 5/8" [#GPB33] at http://www.gggodwin.com



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Wanting to know more, I googled some of the pictures on the net, and noticed a difference on the letter U on the one posted, the bottom seems more flat, than on the original USA pewter buttons, also on the original letters, they seemed to be more pronounced(thicker) than this one.

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Silver Searcher,

Your observations on the odd lettering style and detail is right on target. The only other Continental USA that I have ever seen with the very thin letters, is the large size like my two finds, with no rim detail. The smaller size original Continental USA buttons all have wider line detail in the lettering.

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MikeyDigsIt, the Godwin repro is described on the Godwin website as being 5/8-inch in diameter. One-eighth-inch is .3175 millimeters, so 5/8-inch is 15.85mm. You said your button is "a hair over 18mm" (which translates to 3/4-inch) and thus is about 2.25mm larger than the Godwin repro -- which apparently means it's not a Godwin repro.

MikeyDigsIt, part of the problem in identifying your dug button with certainty is that your single back-view photo of it is somewhat fuzzy (out-of-focus), and thus we cannot be sure whether the material around the loop's base is dirt, or concretion, or part of its pewter body.

If it is dirt and/or concretion, please very gently clean that area of your button's back and post several well-focused closeup photos of it, shot from different angles.

You'll need to make the additional photos anyway, for Mr. Leigh's and Mr. Troiani's inspection of your button. Be sure to include the "hair above 18mm" measurement when you email them.
 

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One other thing to note. You said you dug it. Excellent. And there were other 18th century items nearby. Good. Do you know the history of the site? Look it up. What state was it dug in? That makes a difference. If it was dug in Montana, lol. Also, was this a place in the last 20 years that reenactors would have put on a reenactment? If the answer is no, I'd bet your button is original. I mean, think on this, If you dug it, there were no reenactments in the area, other 18th century items are found in close proximity.....then what's the chance the Rev War button repro fairy put it there to find? I have seen a few of the reproductions, but not all of them. It's a nice find. If it was NOT in a place reenactors have used as a campsite or demonstration, odds are it's real.
 

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Alot of controversial conclusions being drawn on this one. I can tell you that ALL of the examples I see in Troiani's and Kochan's new book, "Insignia of independence", look nothing like this. Is this a new variant? PROBABLY NOT. The letters are ALL uniform as to thickness. (or thinness). A tell tale sign of a repro. Even the smaller examples in the book, vary as regards to thickness on both sides of "U" and "A". Something about this button just doesn't look right. It was made to look like the originals. I just don't see it as one. E-mail the pics to Don T. @ "Chainshot" or "JamesKochan@comcast.net"
 

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Hey, I found some cool looking ???? Dont know exactly what it is but by doing "home testing" i think it is silver? How do i clean all of the black off of it? Any help would be great.
 

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Just a interesting point about the Continental USA Army Button, at the bottom of the page there are five outher post regarding the same button, only one made Banner Hogges, and one only got three replies...none look like this one either.

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Hey, I found some cool looking
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? Dont know exactly what it is but by doing "home testing" i think it is silver? How do i clean all of the black off of it? Any help would be great.


Andy cape,

RE: Help

1. Post your inquiry as a separate topic in the What Is It? forum
2. Include good quality close-up photos, well focused
3. Provide measurements and/or size reference
4. Include a description of the find, along with some details as to; How It Was Found, Type Of Site, Other items Found, Etc..

Saying; "Hey, I found some[thing] cool looking", gives readers very little to go on in any attempts to offer helpful advice.
 

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Here are some better pics of the back. This is the best I could get with my phone. I'm convinced it its a reproduction, but im going to email one of the experts recommended. anyways.IMG_1232.webpIMG_1233.webpIMG_1234.webp
 

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One other thing to note. You said you dug it. Excellent. And there were other 18th century items nearby. Good. Do you know the history of the site? Look it up. What state was it dug in? That makes a difference. If it was dug in Montana, lol. Also, was this a place in the last 20 years that reenactors would have put on a reenactment? If the answer is no, I'd bet your button is original. I mean, think on this, If you dug it, there were no reenactments in the area, other 18th century items are found in close proximity.....then what's the chance the Rev War button repro fairy put it there to find? I have seen a few of the reproductions, but not all of them. It's a nice find. If it was NOT in a place reenactors have used as a campsite or demonstration, odds are it's real.

I dug the button in a park in Berks county, Pennsylvania. I believe the park has been there since the 40's, and before that it was just corn fields. I dont know how much space you need for a reenactment, but the park is pretty big. It has three ball fields, three soccer fields, and a creek running through the middle of it. So I think its entirely possible there could have been reenactments there.
 

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I dug the button in a park in Berks county, Pennsylvania. I believe the park has been there since the 40's, and before that it was just corn fields. I dont know how much space you need for a reenactment, but the park is pretty big. It has three ball fields, three soccer fields, and a creek running through the middle of it. So I think its entirely possible there could have been reenactments there.

Only takes one person to lose one button. :)

Being found in a park opens many possibilities. A Fourth of July Celebration, Bicentennial Event in 1976, Historical Theme Picnic, etc.. Just one person dressed in historical depiction of a Revolutionary War soldier, could lose a single button. Or even plausible as a lost item in a park by a youngster, carrying a reproduced momento purchased or acquired elsewhere.


I've looked through all the examples of Continental Army pewter USA buttons shown in the reference book authored by Don Troiani. There are no actual matches that I can see, to the precise details noted on your example from the park in Berks County, PA. Look forward to any additional information you may gather, through direct correspondence.



Context of finds from sites has a lot of bearing. However, there are many unusual circumstances that lead to what is found, and where.

For many years, I wore a reproduction Civil War leather belt and CS buckle while relic hunting. The buckle was a stamped brass oval CS, with solder filled back, and arrowhead hooks (unlike the original CS buckles of the period). Knowledgeable diggers and collectors would of course immediately recognize the details on this particular CS buckle as entirely a relatively modern reproduction item. However, I often laugh about the possibilities surrounding a potential loss of my buckle, in a remote area holding mid-19th Century relics. This in fact nearly happened more than a decade ago, as I was on an uninhabited hillside relic hunting, where once many structures had stood in the 1860's. As luck would have it, the main hook on my 20th Century reproduction CS buckle broke entirely off, and my belt would no longer support my pants and host of other gear around my waist. Being a rather long walk back to the vehicle, and not wishing to lose valuable searching time, I quickly improvised a "field repair". Since the area was strewn liberally with square nails, and the soil was rather kind to preserve these quite well, I visually searched about for the perfect shape and size nail to replace the broken hook on my buckle. Soon finding a likely candidate, I took off my belt buckle, placed it on the ground, and proceeded to use a rock in hammer fashion to pound a square nail through the face of the buckle, creating a hook on the back for utilitarian use. Since the brass face on solder filled buckles is rather thin, and the solder backing soft metal, the nail punched through quite easily. Soon I was back in action, with my belt and pants secured tight. Quite pleased with my ingenious repair, I was back digging relics in a matter of minutes.

Often though, I smile when contemplating the thought of possibly losing that repaired CS buckle, with an original 19th Century square nail punched through, in some remote 1860's period site. After a few years in the ground for patina, some future relic hunter would be in for quite a shock, when finding my buckle. Thankfully, I have since relegated that repaired buckle to a drawer in my home, and saved the thrill and heartbreak from future generations of relic hunters. :laughing7: Imagine a CS buckle, found on steep hillside far from any populated area, where no reenactments have ever taken place, among the remains of 19th Century sites, with a rusty square nail imbedded clean through. There would be almost no logical explanation other than to deem this a "period" find!

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