Confederate Gold-Stories of others and any Help with this one

[ivan salis]

with jeff davis personal belongings * being found in waldo, florida by union troops later on --its my personal view that -- something along these lines occured ---- this is my "rough" theory -----mr reynolds * a confederate officer (who's name just happens to match that of the "paymaster" in the hidden gold tales*) --who was known to be in the area (he was at the battle of olustee *) as was JJ dickison (who was later on in waldo * florida helping high ranking confederate officals escape)--- both reynolds and dickison were small group specialist --- they were hit and run types--- thus very familiar with slipping around large union forces --as dickison was in waldo setting up escape routes and gathering escape supplies to get the officals and gold to a blockade runner --reynolds went north into georgia to hook up with the jeff davis group --upon linking up --reynold left with the gold shipment and jeff davis's personal gear * leaving behind some men to guide the davis group -- but before they could go on the davis group was caught in irwinville , ga. --reynolds went on to waldo with the gold and jeff davis personal belongings --while in waldo hooking up with dickison --reynold heard that davis had been caught (since he was caught jeff davis's personal gear was left in waldo -- since it was now not as "pressing" to get it out) -- reynolds then got together with dickison --they decided to continue on with the plan to get the confederate gold out of the country (the paper money was worthless as the war was lost )--so reynolds with a small group of trusted men took the gold (in saddle bags most likely) and headed south towards the tampa area to try to hook up a blockade runner -- near tampa --union troops spotted and gave chase forcing them into the swampy area when they hid the money -- after a few days in the swamp they ran short on food and supplies and were forced to leave the swamp area and were captured by union troops and held as POW 's till the wars end --after the war was over they came back and attempted to recover the money but their searching was in vain and they could not find it again .-----sound reasonible to you?--- thus the tale of the swamp gold begins ---* now how will it end?

 

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[GrayCloud]

The map is incorrect. Check the records and you will find that almost 90% of the slaves brought to the US, came through New York and Boston. This rewriting of history to suit views is not right. Another factor is the volume of slaves that were shipped into the Caribbean Islands. I never here mention about how bad Cuba was for slave importation.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The map is incorrect. Check the records and you will find that almost 90% of the slaves brought to the US, came through New York and Boston. This rewriting of history to suit views is not right. Another factor is the volume of slaves that were shipped into the Caribbean Islands. I never here mention about how bad Cuba was for slave importation.

Their black allies, who joined the Seminole cause after escaping from Southern plantations, could be sold back into slavery.
This was the statement in question Graycloud. We were talking about the escaped slaves in Florida that fought alongside the Seminoles in the Seminole Indian Wars. Most likely these escaped slaves came from SOUTHERN PLANTATIONS and NOT from the North. As was stated they would not have tried to reach Florida from New York. The Seminoles today have black members in the tribe descendants of these escaped slaves. There were also "Spanish Indians" (Chekika was a Spanish Indian) from the Carribean.

You may be correct, however, that these Southern plantation slaves fighting with the Seminoles, or their ancestors, originally came through NY, I dont know. As far as the map, it is pertaining to slave importing states in 1857.

I made this statement a long time ago that the Indians generally disliked and distrusted the whites but had no beef with blacks and often allied with them and accepted them into their tribe. Its hard to find a Black from Georgia that isnt part Cherokee.

 

[sabre15]

hey we reached page 2!

Hey BCH, very true about the blacks, if you look at the history of them fighting alongside the seminoles and living among them up here along the Suwannee river there is alot of documentation that they had similar views of the whites in which the seminoles had too. There was alot of illegal slave trading and selling here in Florida too. So many slaves could have escaped north florida and georgia plantations to head into the less inhabited parts of Florida. I would like to see numbers documented on the amount of slaves brought in through the north before the 1850-60's compared to after. I speculate that slowly more southern states imported more than the north, without knowing the numbers that is just a guess. As the civil war approached my guess the numbers from the north went down while the south imported more.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

hey we reached page 2!

Hey BCH, very true about the blacks, if you look at the history of them fighting alongside the seminoles and living among them up here along the Suwannee river there is alot of documentation that they had similar views of the whites in which the seminoles had too. There was alot of illegal slave trading and selling here in Florida too. So many slaves could have escaped north florida and georgia plantations to head into the less inhabited parts of Florida. I would like to see numbers documented on the amount of slaves brought in through the north before the 1850-60's compared to after. I speculate that slowly more southern states imported more than the north, without knowing the numbers that is just a guess. As the civil war approached my guess the numbers from the north went down while the south imported more.

I worked on the Seminole Indian reservation and yes it is true there are many Black Seminoles today. Google "Black Seminoles" and you can read some history. I worked and also lived on the Miccosuki Reservation and they appear to be mostly Indian, but I have not met them all.

http://www.ccny.cuny.edu/library/News/seminoles2.html
In the I 7th century our ancestors fought against slavery and escaped into the northern bushlands of Spanish FIorida. There we joined our Indian brothers and sisters who had also escaped from the oppression of the European slavers; together, for many years, we resisted their attempts to recapture us.
---- Miss Charles Emily Wilson


http://www.yale.edu/glc/gullah/07.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Seminoles


They fought right alongside the Indians and also became members of the tribe. Nobody is blaming the South for slavery. The US is guilty as a whole. That being said, I do not believe in slave reparations. I think we are giving too much to the Indians as it is.

http://www.johnhorse.com/black-seminoles/faq-black-seminoles.htm#Indians

http://www.johnhorse.com/trail/index.htm

 

[Bridge End Farm]

I met the man today that owns the land and surronding area in Georgia
where the train depot of the last stop and capture of Jefferson Davis and company. He
said the money (Confederate Treasury) is on his land buried somewhere though he hasn't pin pointed and found it yet

Maybe it didn't make it to florida, but it isn't found so my money is on Sunshine State. Told him we would be glad to help him look and left my number

I could not quite follow that first portion of your post. You say you met a man that owns the land or property where the train depot of the last stop and capture of Jefferson Davis and company. What train depot are you referring to? Jefferson Davis and company where in wagons when they were captured near Irwinville, Georgia. There is a train depot in Washington, Georgia and there is another coming south in Abbeville, South Carolina but there was no railroad that connected Abbeville, S.C. with Washington, GA. There was also a train depot near Waldo, Florida where Jefferson Davis' personal belongings were captured. This railroad was owned by Senator David Yulee, who owned the Cottonwood Plantation in Archer, Florida. Is this the railroad depot that you are referring to? Albert

He told me that he owned the land that held the train depot that Jefferson Davis got off on in Georgia and he owned the surronding property also. How big a piece I did not ask. Confederate gold was buried somewhere on his property according to the locals and he believed it to be so. He has hunted for it some but has not located it. I volunteered to help in his search if needed. I am sure I could get a few folks on here to help if he said called and asked

 

[sphillips]

Mindspark,

There is a hammock in the Eveglades Called "Poinciana Hammock":

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[Bridge End Farm]

So...are we levitating towards the elusive Confederate Gold being the remnants of the CSA treasury, or just a random act of burying a payroll?

Personally I am just after gold any gold confederate, union, recent, old, any is ok with me

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Gold is nice but relics are OK too. Living in South Florida, with so few CW camps, we got to take what we can get. (legends, rumors, pirate tales, escaped slaves, deserters, vagabonds and Indians).

 

[sabre15]

I concur, and that is not just South FL, we have no mountains here to prospect for gold or silver, all we have is our past history with pirates and early spanish and other european nations that claimed the area. If the confederate story and others are bogus so be it. But, I have not been convinced not to believe it too. Until either myself or someone finds it or someone comes forward with 100 percent proof it does not exist, I'll keep researching as if it is there. It makes for a great excuse to get out of the house and enjoy nature if not anything else.

 

[ivan salis]

humm I think its differant reynolds from a indeprendant florida group--- but let me recheck my facts to be sure ---thanks swr -- ? Il'll double check this this out to be sure 100% --if not the timing of him dying in cold harbor in june of 64 does indeed force a change of thought. (dead men don't do much)

 

[GrayCloud]

As for as the recovery of already mined and refined gold, I would think that Florida leads the nation. Just my own opinion from what history I have read.

 

[Bridge End Farm]

Gold is nice but relics are OK too. Living in South Florida, with so few CW camps, we got to take what we can get. (legends, rumors, pirate tales, escaped slaves, deserters, vagabonds and Indians).

yeah great point, always something to hunt, dig and quest for

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,

SWR wrote

So...are we levitating towards the elusive Confederate Gold being the remnants of the CSA treasury, or just a random act of burying a payroll?

Speaking for myself ONLY here, but thus far I have not been able to document the story as we get it, that of a payroll buried by a fleeing paymaster in 1862, and strongly suspect the origin of this story is traceable to the 1865 incidents of CS govt officials and treasury trying to get out of the country. As you know only too well, treasure stories get garbled and distorted in the re-telling, and I can't find any incident in 1862 that will "fit" this story. Now if it is 1865, we have several possible origins.

What is your view SWR, so far? Still very much on the fence, or leaning one way or the other? (Just asking your opinion amigo, not trying to 'bait' you into an argument, just curious what your view is based on what we have.) Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

 

[Connecticut Sam]

Look out for the snakes.

 

[sabre15]

What kind and how many?

 

[Connecticut Sam]

There are too many snakes to count.

 

[Connecticut Sam]

I am wondering if any of the men went back and found the treasure.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I am wondering if any of the men went back and found the treasure.

I read that they were captured and never could find the location again which is easy to believe in the Everglades. The problem is, I can find no record of the capture.

 

[Curtis]

On the subtopic of slavery, most people do not know that Indians had slaves too! This included white, black and Indian slaves! They captured them and then traded/ransomed/sold them to whites and other Indians. I can back this up if anyone needs it. The majority of the black salves came from Africa of course...but something most people do not hear about black history is that the slaves were captured and sold by their fellow countrymen! Yes it was horrible no matter what but let’s put part of the blame on those who first sold people to traders! I know ...if the whites didn't have a market for them they would not have been sold. I don't know any of you but there is no way I would sell you, my countrymen. I know these were rough times and people were not the same as they are now...and I have the benefit of slavery not being acceptable for over 150 years. That is why Obama or anyone else that advocates reconstitution gets my hackles up....they need to get the funds from those who sold them first not me. Neither I nor any of my ancestors had slaves, so they do not put any part of that sinful trade on back to repay. Just for the record I am not a racist I have grandchildren and nieces and nephews that are bi-racial! Sorry for the hijack Gray cloud, but this is part of the discussion I guess.