COMPLETE Musket Lock Plate and Old Coins

BuckleBoy

Gold Member
Jun 12, 2006
18,132
9,700
Moonlight and Magnolias
🥇 Banner finds
4
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
2
Detector(s) used
Fisher F75, Whites DualField PI, Fisher 1266-X and Tesoro Silver uMax
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Hello All,


When I came dragging in from work today, diggergirl said "let's go digging." Her words were like a ray of sunshine on this Very rainy Friday. So after a quick phone call to a property owner to check and see if his fields were planted yet, we got out in his fields. :thumbsup: I wanted to try one more time to find the rest of my CW snake buckle and officer's spur. 8)

So we attacked the site with our hopes high. A few bits came up--nothing really exciting at first--but I did get a very old pocketknife from the barn site. It appears to have a traveler on it with a backpack, and a star guiding him on his journey. When I dug the knife, it looked similar in style and construction to other CW period knives I've seen posted here. :)

Pretty soon, diggergirl came running with a coin--an 1864 Indian Head. :thumbsup:

Then after a long lull (during which the only find was a musketball for diggergirl) I got one lonely flat button.

So we decided to walk across the field to site #2. This site had given up one dateless LC very quickly back in October, plus a piece of a rooster-shaped pewter whistle Hill Billy found. I felt certain we'd be able to snag a find or two there...


Right off the bat, diggergirl found a nice larged domed one-piece button (backmark "W.H. JONES & CO."). I decided that I needed a different strategy from the last hunt of the site, so rather than hitting the top of the hill, I started working the trash pit areas on the sides of the slope.


Pretty soon I had a coin--a late date IH. She is a pretty greenie though. :) Here's a photo of diggergirl working the crest of the ridge:



diggergirl.jpg



Then I dug a strange piece of brass which I will need some help with (please see the cleaned finds photos below. It is the piece with the IH in the photo for scale.)

The iron was brutal on this site, and it was driving the 1266-X up the wall. :tard: But I was picking slowly through it, digging the bigger pieces out and rechecking the holes afterward. Pretty soon we had a nice pile of iron as usual. ::) Here's a photo of me--staying calm while picking through the nail patch.



buckles.jpg



Then I got another Big Iron signal, and so I dug. As I bent down to pick it up, I thought to myself "No, it isn't...well...YES IT IS!" It was a complete musket lock plate! I at first thought it was a flintlock, due to the amount of dirt stuck around the hammer, but it is percussion cap.

This'll make ya go out and Dig Some Iron. Ya Baby, SEXY Iron! :o



lock plate dug.jpg



We kept hunting for a while, but started to get a little worried about the skies opening up and dumping water on us by the bathtubfulls. So we said goodbye to the owner and headed home.


Here is a photo of the finds, before cleaning:



finds uncleaned.jpg




And after cleaning. (I think the homemade lead washer that diggergirl found is Very Cool.)



finds cleaned.jpg



I need a bit of help with this piece. It is cast brass, smooth on the front side where one of the holes is countersunk, and rougher brass on the underside. The hole in the smaller end is countersunk, but the other hole appears to be homemade. (Is it a piece of a trigger guard?) IH cent from the hunt today is for scale:



mystery front.jpg



mystery back.jpg



And here's a photo of both sides of the pocketknife I dug. Traveler with backpack and a star in the sky above. (Or perhaps a solder with a knapsack and kepi?) Very cool piece. :)



knife.jpg



knife1.jpg



And the lock plate. I understand that electrolysis will help with its identification, but I would love some help in IDing this piece. Although the basic size and shape of the plate itself are right, it looks like the arm seems a little too flat where it attaches to the plate to be a CW-era Springfield or Enfield :icon_scratch:



lock plate front.jpg




lock plate back.jpg




Best Wishes and HH,



Buckles
 

Upvote 0
OUTSTANDING! I'm glad I stayed up for this one Buck! That is definitely one thing on my wishlist to dig. That knife is fantastic as well. Looking forward to seeing what y'all pull tomorrow... :thumbsup:
 

Really great finds!
Congratulations!!
Keep on digging that iron!

John
 

Good finds, we get very few pieces of weapons in our fields, but I do have a hammer like yours but without the attached plate. :thumbsup:
 

Really nice finds. Congrats on the lock plate.
 

Hey BB! That makes me want to go diggin myself! Great finds! You know? people here say , Mike, you have an etrac ,why do you dig iron? This is reason I dig everything! I'm glad you got out man
 

4-H staff said:
Hey BB! That makes me want to go diggin myself! Great finds! You know? people here say , Mike you have an etrac why do you dig iron? This is reason I dig everything! I'm glad you got out man

Exactly, the amount of time, I've had a choppy signal & said to myself, thats Iron, but dug it & it was a Roman Coin. The only time I don't dig iron is when time is of the essence or I'm tried & don't have the energy to dig deep plough pieces in heavy clay. The way I look at it is, why leave something in a ploughed field which your probably 'hear' again next year. Get rid of it piece by piece & it won't mask any goodies, & sometimes its a goodie in itself.
 

CRUSADER said:
4-H staff said:
Hey BB! That makes me want to go diggin myself! Great finds! You know? people here say , Mike you have an etrac why do you dig iron? This is reason I dig everything! I'm glad you got out man

Exactly, the amount of time, I've had a choppy signal & said to myself, thats Iron, but dug it & it was a Roman Coin. The only time I don't dig iron is when time is of the essence or I'm tried & don't have the energy to dig deep plough pieces in heavy clay. The way I look at it is, why leave something in a ploughed field which your probably 'hear' again next year. Get rid of it piece by piece & it won't mask any goodies, & sometimes its a goodie in itself.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

Great job BBoy on recovering that Iron hunk of coolness.That's 2 now.Like the knife.
It looks like it will clean up nice too.Tell DG congrats on the IHP and good luck today if you make it out.
I'll try and find a match for your plate.

HB
 

crazyjarhead said:
Nice finds BB. Looks like you were in a field of wild onions :D


Wild onions and "hen bit." They come up in anything that lays fallow this long.
 

BB,
Congrats to you & DG. You both did extremely well.
That lock plate is a fantastic find, and the pocket knife is very unusual. I've never seen one posted with a design on it like that. Hopefully you get get more info on it.

DG found some great relics too, not only the button & IH, but that lead nut is neat find. Carved bullet?
Congrats to both, and some super pictures as usual,
MM
 

GREAT JOB, BB.

LOOKS LIKE THE FIELD OF DREAMS , HITS AGAIN

NICE COPPA DG

KEEPA DIGGIN

MLHUDSON
 

Nice Digs BB!! I agree the lockplate looks more like the Kentucky Rifle variety and that's a very good find. That pocketknife is very cool also. Maybe some of the knife experts can help on the period it was made. WTG and HH.
 

VOL1266-X said:
Nice Digs BB!! I agree the lockplate looks more like the Kentucky Rifle variety and that's a very good find. That pocketknife is very cool also. Maybe some of the knife experts can help on the period it was made. WTG and HH.

I looked through pages of guns last night and early this morning too, and I agree with the KY Rifle ID. I may still post it on the whatzit threads and toss my hat in the ring there.

Any ideas about the large brass piece with the two holes?


Best wishes,


Buckles
 

Buckleboy, those finds are fantastic.... hope you find out some history on those pieces, it will be a history lesson for all of us. Congratulations :thumbsup:

mlhudson, can you write in lower caps, it just makes it easier for us to read what you are writing..... hehehehehe I used to do that, and they asked me why I was shouting? I found out that writing with caps on is shouting.

God bless
Peter
 

BB, this ia lockplate from a KY Rifle that I found where the Confederates of Gen. John Hunt Morgan were discarding obsolete weapons and taking newly issued Springfield Rifles from the 1,834 captured Yankees after their surrender following the Battle of Hartsville, TN in Dec. 1862. Two local relic dealers told me the lockplate was from a Kentucky style musket. This one still had the spring assembly attached and looks very much like the one you found.
The 1943 Merc dime and small brass heel pate are shown for size comparison and came from my last hunt with Dman. HH.
 

Attachments

  • KY Rifle Lockplate.jpg
    KY Rifle Lockplate.jpg
    41.8 KB · Views: 1,094

Top Member Reactions

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top