COCA COLA hutchison? new info added Soda Bob please look

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I just sent Coca Cola expert Bill Porter an email asking his opinion on the CC bottle. And although his main expertise is with 6 ounce embossed hobbleskirts, I'm sure he will have something to say about this. I will post his reply just as soon as I hear from him.

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

creeper71 ~

I just heard back from Bill Porter who had the following to say ...

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Bob

I don't know what "CC in a star" stands for. But it takes a powerful amount of wishful thinking to imagine it might refer to Coca-Cola. Why would the Coca-Cola name be reduced to a small cc in a star? According to Bill Ricketts' book, the Atlantic City operation did not get a Coca-Cola bottling contract until 1920. The bottle is described as "antique"; but just how antique is it? I am inclined to believe is not a "true" Coca Cola bottle.

Bill

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The following is my personal observation after reading Bill's reply ...

Not all, but "most" hutchinson bottles had been completely phased out by 1920 and replaced by the more popular Crown closures. And if Ricketts' book is correct, which I believe it is in that the Atlantic City bottler did not get a Coca Cola contract until 1920, then it seems highly unlikely to me that the hutchinson bottle in question is Coca Cola related.

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[Joniebgood]

creeper71 ~

I just heard back from Bill Porter who had the following to say ...

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Bob

I don't know what "CC in a star" stands for. But it takes a powerful amount of wishful thinking to imagine it might refer to Coca-Cola. Why would the Coca-Cola name be reduced to a small cc in a star? According to Bill Ricketts' book, the Atlantic City operation did not get a Coca-Cola bottling contract until 1920. The bottle is described as "antique"; but just how antique is it? I am inclined to believe is not a "true" Coca Cola bottle.

Bill

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The following is my personal observation after reading Bill's reply ...

Not all, but "most" hutchinson bottles had been completely phased out by 1920 and replaced by the more popular Crown closures. And if Ricketts' book is correct, which I believe it is in that the Atlantic City bottler did not get a Coca Cola contract until 1920, then it seems highly unlikely to me that the hutchinson bottle in question is Coca Cola related.

SBB Bob. Ricketts information is incorrect. The Coca Cola Bottling Co. is listed in the 1916 telephone directory for Atlantic City. Coca Cola Bottling Co. of Atlantic City, pre-dated the 1920 contract. When was it started is the key question? Perhaps the 1920 contract was the start of Coca Cola being used instead of C.C. Bottling Co.. It appears that during the change over of bottle styles, the old hutch bottles were given a mass grave in the dump that the dozer operator told me about. He said there were thousands of bottles there. He had no time to gather more. He had to bury them.

 

[Joniebgood]

creeper71 ~

I just heard back from Bill Porter who had the following to say ...

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Bob

I don't know what "CC in a star" stands for. But it takes a powerful amount of wishful thinking to imagine it might refer to Coca-Cola. Why would the Coca-Cola name be reduced to a small cc in a star? According to Bill Ricketts' book, the Atlantic City operation did not get a Coca-Cola bottling contract until 1920. The bottle is described as "antique"; but just how antique is it? I am inclined to believe is not a "true" Coca Cola bottle.

Bill

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The following is my personal observation after reading Bill's reply ...

Not all, but "most" hutchinson bottles had been completely phased out by 1920 and replaced by the more popular Crown closures. And if Ricketts' book is correct, which I believe it is in that the Atlantic City bottler did not get a Coca Cola contract until 1920, then it seems highly unlikely to me that the hutchinson bottle in question is Coca Cola related.

SBB Bob. Ricketts information is incorrect. The Coca Cola Bottling Co. is listed in the 1916 telephone directory for Atlantic City. Coca Cola Bottling Co. of Atlantic City, pre-dated the 1920 contract. When was it started is the key question? Perhaps the 1920 contract was the start of Coca Cola being used instead of C.C. Bottling Co.. It appears that during the change over of bottle styles, the old hutch bottles were given a mass grave in the dump that the dozer operator told me about. He said there were thousands of bottles there. He had no time to gather more. He had to bury them.
Bill Here is the origin of the use of CC to represent Coca Cola. John Pemberton's partner and bookkeeper Frank M Robertson named Coca Cola. "Frank M Robinson suggested the name Coca Cola,thinking that the two C's would look well in advertising" joniebgood

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

jbg ~

I fully understand the part you said about Coca Cola being listed in the 1916 directory. But I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the rest of it. Are you saying that when the Atlantic City bottler first started bottling Coca Cola in 1916 that they put it in the CC bottles instead of a "signature/script" bottle, and then switched to another bottle later on? The standard green contour bottle (hobbleskirt) was designed in 1915 and first issued in 1917. It took a while for some of the bottlers to switch over to the hobbleskirts, but by 1920 I am certain it was "required" by the parent company. "Straight-sided" Coca Cola bottles were abundant even as early as 1905-1910.

I guess the bottom line for me is this; Based on the current evidence, I feel it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to convince an advanced Coca Cola collector that those CC bottles are "true" Coca Cola bottles. Especially if someone were to expect a high dollar amount for them like the $2,500+ that signature Coca Cola hutchinsons are fetching these days.

Respectfully,

SBB

 

[Joniebgood]

Hello Bob. The facts are not here, yet, to trace the history of the Atlantic City Coca Cola Bottling Company. The 1916 listing was only the earliest written record I could find. I am not saying that was the starting date of the company. I am saying that it is quite logical that when they changed bottles, as required, they dumped all the bottles they were using. The quart bottle that I have is a later design with clear glass. I would guess that it would be one of the last type that was used prior to the turn over. The Coca Cola bottling plant moved to Mamora just outside of A.C. I do not know the date but it did come under control of the Philidalpha Coke bottler. What I am suggesting is that Benjamin Franklin Thomas controlled the early Coca Cola operations in A.C. untill after his death in 1914. Here again, there is more research that is needed. You are correct in speculating the value of the C.C. Bottling Co. bottles. They could turn out to be earlier then the known hutch bottles. I like my two squats. I have been in touch with a long time dealer in Atlantic City and I am trying to reasearch the Atlantic City Museum. They have a lot of information on microfilm. I also visited a demolition company in Barnegat N.J. who demolished the A.C. Coca Cola Bottling Co. He had quite a collection of arcitectual artifacts from it. He could not tell me when it was built. He had prices beyond my price range. Here is what I am saying. As far as I am concerned, Benjamin Franklin Thomas was involved in the early A.C. Coke operations. This was prior to the naming of the "Coca Cola Bottling" of A.C.. They used C.C. Bottling Company on their bottles. Most of the bottles were dumped when the changover was required. I think that this is valid direction for additional investigaton. I am retired but don't say, "You have too much time on your hands". I enjoy the hunt. joniebgood John E. Harford

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Jonie ~

Please keep us posted regarding what you find. I am keeping an open mind and would very much like to know all the facts. Personally, I have hit a dead end. So its pretty much up to you now. Please keep up the good work!

Thanks.

Bob

 

[Joniebgood]

The attached photos show part of my collection of C.C. Bottling Co. bottles, from Atlantic City, that I have found through the years. I have only found two squat and two light amber hutches. I just bought the quart bottle on ebay about a week ago. I included the C.C. Soda bottle from A.C. too. It is a Coca Cola Bottling Co. bottle. I also included a Star Bottling Co. bottle from A.C.. It is on the far right. As you can see it is nothing like the C.C. bottling which also have stars. The C.C. bottles are not the Star Bottling Company from A.C.. These C.C. Bottling Co. bottles span a period of time that follows the same period that Coca Cola was in the early bottling stage. There seems to be no large representation of Coca Cola marked bottles for this period in A.C.. It is obvious Coca Cola was there. Where did all their early bottles go. I am still trying to find out what product was in the bottles from the C.C. Bottling Co. in Atlantic City. I have not been able to find another C.C. Bottling Co. outside of A.C.. If anyone has any information, I would like to hear from you. Just don't try to tell me this aray of botles had Celary in them. Thanks. joniebgood. I hope my pictures come through. I have been sruggling with them all afternoon.

 

[Joniebgood]

jbg ~

Your information definitely sounds like there "might" be a connection to Coca Cola, but "confirming" it is another thing. As far as I know, every "true" Coca Cola bottle (Hutchinson or other) are all marked in some manner to clearly identify them as such. If I ever find anything that will either confirm or refute this, I will post it here.

Thanks for the info/lead.

SBB

Check out the early Coca Cola bottle on ebay now. It is amber and is jumping in price fast. This is another example of Coca Cola's early involvement in Atlantic City. It is listed Coca=Cola Atlantic City 350607840490. What would you guess the age to be? Thanks. joniebgood

 

[Joniebgood]

Check out the early Coca Cola bottle from Atlantic City, on ebay. It is amber and the price is jumping fast. This seems to be another example of Coca Cola's early involvement in A.C.. How old would you guess it to be? The ebay listing is 350607840490 or aisted as Coca=Cola Atlantic city. Thanks. joniebgood

 

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I CAN HELP . THE PRICE OF HUTHINSONS BOTTLE IS 125$TO 2,200. GOOD JOB