COCA COLA hutchison? new info added Soda Bob please look

[creeper71]

I went to a bottle show on sunday in NJ... I picked up 3 Hutches (Hutchisons) I had no clue of there value as it is totally out of my area... I was researching them to see what I had an this one I found an can't believe I got it for the price I did it was way cheap.. if it really is a Coca Cola hutch... Here is a link this will have a picture of a bottle exactly like mine..... http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-atlantic-city-coca-cola-bottle-1 Ps. Click on zoom (3) under pic will open another window then click on the picture to change to another pic....

 

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[creeper71]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

Anyone know for fact that what I posted is indeed what this bottle is?

 

[halfdime]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

Anyone know for fact that what I posted is indeed what this bottle is?

I'm a novice with bottles; it sounds exciting, though.

 

[creeper71]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

Anyone know for fact that what I posted is indeed what this bottle is?

I'm a novice with bottles; it sounds exciting, though.

yes I am very excited would be even more if someone could tell me for fact I bought a early coca cola bottle....

 

[gleaner1]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

creeper I know nothing about Coca Cola bottles I cant help to think CC does not indicate Coca Cola but I am not an expert. Has anyone heard from SodaBottleBob lately? He can tell I'm sure. I am a bit worried about him I hope nothing bad has happened to him he usually pipes up during these posts. Good luck creeper.

 

[creeper71]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

creeper I know nothing about Coca Cola bottles I cant help to think CC does not indicate Coca Cola but I am not an expert. Has anyone heard from SodaBottleBob lately? He can tell I'm sure. I am a bit worried about him I hope nothing bad has happened to him he usually pipes up during these posts. Good luck creeper.

thank you for your post... I know that coca cola didn't actually write coca cola on bottles til years later after this Hutch was made.. so I am assuming it is a coca cola.... I haven't seen a post from Bob in a very long time atleast a few month... I to hope nothing happened to him..if anyone reading this know how to contact bob do so an report back to us..thanks!!

 

[creeper71]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

The hutch has to have Coca Cola embossed on it, for it to be a coca cola hutch.

I hate to rehash old news but that statement above isn't true so whoever deleted my post after that should delete the post above too

 

[creeper71]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

The hutch has to have Coca Cola embossed on it, for it to be a coca cola hutch.

I hate to rehash old news but that statement above isn't true so whoever deleted my post after that should delete the post above too

Sure it is.

The hutch has to have Coca-Cola or BIEDENHARN CANDY CO. VICKSBURG MISS embossed on it. These are the only versions accepted as Coca-Cola hutchinson's

whatever..keep on thinking that...

 

[Skrimpy]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

The hutch has to have Coca Cola embossed on it, for it to be a coca cola hutch.

I hate to rehash old news but that statement above isn't true so whoever deleted my post after that should delete the post above too

Sure it is.

The hutch has to have Coca-Cola or BIEDENHARN CANDY CO. VICKSBURG MISS embossed on it. These are the only versions accepted as Coca-Cola hutchinson's

whatever..keep on thinking that...

I'd believe SWR Creeper.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

Creeper71 ~

I heard my name mentioned and thought I'd stop by for a visit. Thanks for thinking of me. I'm doing okay, and keep busy with this and that and one thing or another.

Please note, I am not intimately familar with your particular bottle, and consequently cannot positively identify it. However, based on what I know and was able to determine with some additional research, I discovered that the bottle itself contains some clues which may shed some light on the subject. I am basing my finds on the evidence as I know it. For starters, let's re-read the text from the link you posted where you said it was the "same" as your bottle.

Text from Link ... (I edited it slightly for capitalization, punctuation, etc.)

Antique Atlantic City Coke bottle.There is a star on the front of the bottle, inside the star is written "THE CC BOT. CO. ATLANTIC CITY NJ.". the "CC" is written in a second smaller star. Written on the back is, "THIS BOTTLE NOT SOLD - REGISTERED." The bottom of the bottle has a star on it. This bottle is a hutch from 1890, and found in Atlantic city on North Carolina Ave. It's in good shape, but could be cleaned. On the back is a cork, which is not a bruise or ding. The camera isnt very good. Or else my son who took picture. Lol This same bottle got 17 bids last time out @ $53.00. However, the guy didn't pay, so it is back on ebay.

If your bottle is a Hutchinson from "1890" as stated above, then there is no way it can be a Coca Cola bottle, because ... The earliest Coca Cola Hutchinson was made in 1894. Coca Cola was invented in 1886. ...

Additionally ...

1899 … The first bottling agreement.
Two young attorneys from Chattanooga, Tennessee believed they could build a business around bottling Coca-Cola. In a meeting with Candler, Benjamin F. Thomas and Joseph B. Whitehead obtained exclusive rights to bottle Coca-Cola across most of the United States (specifically excluding Vicksburg) -- for the sum of one dollar. A third Chattanooga lawyer, John T. Lupton, soon joined their venture.

So unless the 1890 date is wrong, the CC could stand for something else. Perhaps the guy ment "around" 1890. The CC "may" be a glass factory mark. (However, I seriously doubt this. But it's a possibility).

Example ...

C.C. ... Cunningham and Company, Pittsburgh, PA (c. 1879-1907). Also known as "Cunninghams & Company" at various times during it's operation. The firm name was evidently changed slightly to become "Cunninghams & Company, Limited" in 1886, and continued to operate as such until approximately 1907. This firm was a successor to Cunningham & Ihmsen.

Additionally ... Check out this link where you will see the "real" Coca Cola Hall Of Fame bottles ... including several with Hutchinson closures. Which were the compaine's first, starting in 1894.

Link:

http://www.antiquebottles.com/coke/fame.html

(If the link doesn't work, just copy/paste it to your browser search box).

Lastly ... There is a website with a list of 16,157 variations for Hutchinson bottles, with 620 of them from New Jersey. It may not be easy to pin down.

I think some more research is necessary here to fully identify your bottle. But I honestly believe it safe to say ... It is not a "true" Coca Cola bottle, but that it "may" have been distributed by a Coca Cola bottler. There is no argument that CC "usually" stands for Coca Cola. I agree with this 100%. But I also know that many of the Coca Cola bottlers made and distributed other offerings like ginger ale and various other flavors. Coca Cola didn't get into fruit flavors until it introduced Fanta. So the bottlers came up with their own (anything but Coca Cola) flavors, but were still under the parentship of the Coca Cola Company, likely as a franchise bottler.

I hope this helps.

A Merry Christmas to all, and to all ... "Happy Bottle Hunting."

SODABOTTLEBOB

P.S. I am by no means a Coca Cola expert. My contribution to this topic is based partly on documented facts as well as a certain measure of conjecture. It may be challenged, which is totally welcomed, and I will stand corrected if wrong. SBB

The bottle below is the previously mentioned "Biedenharn" bottle. In excellent condition it can easily be valued at $2000.00+ It's the real-deal for sure! But to tell you the truth, it's the Hutch's with the Coca Cola script embossed on them that the collectors really go nuts over.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

Creeper71 ~

I did a little more research on your Hutch bottle today (which included the opinions from a couple of advanced collectors I know) and the concensus is that your bottle is most likely a "Celery=Cola" and not a Coca Cola. (I intentionally put the = between the words because that is how most of the Celery=Cola bottles and advertising used it). It is known for certain that the Celery=Cola headquarters was in Jersey City, N.J. in 1899, and later moved south to Birmingham, Alabama. They may very well have had a bottler in Atlantic City, which is about 150 miles south of Jersey City.

Below is a photo of one of their later (Crown closure) bottles from Birmingham, circa 1910. So it might be worthwhile to do some research on the Celery=Cola (CC) lead and see what you come up with. If I discover anything more definitive I will let you know.

Good luck... and thanks for sharing your unusual (and somewhat mysterious) bottle.

SBB

"Celery=Cola" Possible meaning of CC ... But not 100% confirmed ... "yet."

 

[epackage]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

The hutch has to have Coca Cola embossed on it, for it to be a coca cola hutch.

I hate to rehash old news but that statement above isn't true so whoever deleted my post after that should delete the post above too

Sure it is.

The hutch has to have Coca-Cola or BIEDENHARN CANDY CO. VICKSBURG MISS embossed on it. These are the only versions accepted as Coca-Cola hutchinson's

whatever..keep on thinking that...

Sorry creeper but you're 100% wrong, there is only full script Coke hutch's, done and done....

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

Here are a couple of (safe) links regarding the basic chronology of the Coca Cola bottle. The second link also has some interesting "knock-off" brands that gave the Coca Cola company headaches over the years ... including "Celery=Cola."

Check'em out!

SBB

http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/ETclanSETH114/bottlehistory.html

http://www.diamondcokecans.com/cocacola_and_the_competition.htm

 

[creeper71]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

Here are a couple of (safe) links regarding the basic chronology of the Coca Cola bottle. The second link also has some interesting "knock-off" brands that gave the Coca Cola company headaches over the years ... including "Celery=Cola."

Check'em out!

SBB

http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/ETclanSETH114/bottlehistory.html

http://www.diamondcokecans.com/cocacola_and_the_competition.htm

Thank you Bob

 

[creeper71]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

This right from the Celery Cola expert

" No one really knows for sure what the C. C. Co. stands for. Several people have insisted it is a Coca-Cola bottle but there is no evidence to support that.

I have speculated that it could be a Celery=Cola bottle since Celery=
Cola was based nearby in Jersey City for a brief period in 1899. That may or may not be accurate.

Until someone researches the business and court records for Atlantic City no one will know for sure."

So with that said No one is right an no one is wrong until all facts are present.. Even in the email he wrote he speculated ( made a educated guess) but isn't fact so I guess the mystery continues

 

[Marty-Graw]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison?

as far as I know Coca Cola never used the name "Coca Cola Co." so it is most likely not a Coca Cola bottle with that embossing..... it would have to say C.C.B.Co. (Coca Cola Bottling Co.) and I'm not sure they ever even embossed those initials....but may have......but one thing I do know is that the only Coca Cola hutch bottle considered authentic is the one that actually has Coca Cola embossed in the trademark script. ...... not sure what y'all have decided but this I know to be the truth

 

[creeper71]

Re: OMG I need Help!! COCA COLA hutchison? new info added Soda Bob

I got a Pm lastnight from a member of the forum that wrote me this


I have seen those bottles before. I'm from Atlantic city and have dug bottles my whole life. We always threw them away because soda/beer bottles are so common.

We started keeping them when a friend of my dads, "bottle bob" researched the history. They are coca cola franchise bottles. They were not made by coca cola, but they held real coca-cola inside of them. The man who owned the franchise named the CC bottling company of Atlantic City was named after Benjamin Franklin but I forget his last name. Him being named after Ben Franklin and not knowing his last name has made finding source online to support my claim difficult. I will try to contact bottle Bob soon and get you the title of the book.

 

[Joniebgood]

I lived in the Atlantic City area for about 25 years. I have been involved in buy/sell for many of those years. My first experience with the C.C. Bottling Company bottle was when I met a guy working a dozer at a future Casino site in A.C.. He came up with boxes of old bottles from a dump. He had a number of these hutches. I bought them all. I have since been on a quest to find what was the product in these bottles. I am still waiting for an answer. I feel they are early Coca Cola bottles for the following reasons. I feel that at the time these were made, Atlantic City was in it's hay day. At the same time, Coca Cola bottling was booming. In my quest, I now have two Squat C. C. Bottling Co. bottles about 12 hutches, a couple light amber, and one quart size. I also have the C.C. Soda bottle from Atlantic City which was made by Coca Cola bottling as marked on the bottle. I also have a Star Bottling Co. bottle from A.C.. It is nothing like the C.C. Bottling bottle. There are soda bottle all over the U.S. that resemble the C.C. Bottle from A.C. They are Complete with the star on the bottom. No one has been able to tell me what was in these bottles. There is an early Coca Cola connection with Star Bottling. Even with all this, there is no early bottle for Coke in the A.C. area, other then the C. C. Bottling Co. Where are the early Coke bottles? It is also interesting the the early founder of the Coca Cola Bottling Company, Benjamin Franklin Thomas, Had the Atlantic City area within his bottling right area. He would have jumped at the opportunity there. He died in A.C. in 1914.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

jbg ~

Your information definitely sounds like there "might" be a connection to Coca Cola, but "confirming" it is another thing. As far as I know, every "true" Coca Cola bottle (Hutchinson or other) are all marked in some manner to clearly identify them as such. If I ever find anything that will either confirm or refute this, I will post it here.

Thanks for the info/lead.

SBB

 

[creeper71]

jbg ~

Your information definitely sounds like there "might" be a connection to Coca Cola, but "confirming" it is another thing. As far as I know, every "true" Coca Cola bottle (Hutchinson or other) are all marked in some manner to clearly identify them as such. If I ever find anything that will either confirm or refute this, I will post it here.

Thanks for the info/lead.

SBB

If anyone can sniff out an answer to this, it will be you Bob.. hopefully very soon so I know what I have..lol