CLUES THAT MATCH MY SEARCH AREA

[cactusjumper]

Travis,

May as well post the map you are discussing. I know it's been posted before, but it seems appropriate here:

Take care,

Joe

 

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[cactusjumper]

Travis,

Just wondering......Would you send a greenhorn woman and young man (friends) into your area, starting from the board house? Would you send them into your area, from anywhere?

That seems a pretty big clue.

Thanks,

Joe

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Travis,

Just wondering......Would you send a greenhorn woman and young man (friends) into your area, starting from
the board house? Would you send them into your area, from anywhere?

That seems a pretty big clue.

Thanks,

Joe

Joe,

Alone, no I wouldnt. But COULD I, from the boarding house, get to a spot with them and point out exactly where the mine is without making the entire trip with them?...Yes I could. (I wouldnt even have to go halfway there...)

Remember it's my theory that, even on his deathbed, Waltz had NO INTENTION of sending them out alone. He told Dick Holmes the directions with the thought that Dick, Julia, and Rhiney would SHARE the mine. Dick was an outdoorsman....what a perfect person to take out greenhorns....?

thanks,
Travis

 

[cactusjumper]

Travis,

Have to admit, from what I have read, that never occured to me.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[Twisted Fork]

I remember reading somewhere that both Waltz and Wiser were on record as being members of the Masons. This inverted code of sorts requires some things to be backwards and or upside down when hiding treasure in the real world with the brotherhood in mind. Never Lost

 

[Some Dude]

Hi DD,

Please forgive me if I’m way off base here.

Rables described the area at the mine as having a background with three peaks, the center one being furthest away. She described them as being “a few miles away”. While her description of distance does not fit where you are now, I have to wonder about the accuracy of a 14 year old girl’s estimation of distance in a desert environment – especially when she is telling the story as “an aging Mexican woman” (however old that might be) about a place that she saw one time, decades earlier.

I wouldn’t have even thought about those three peaks in your pictures being connected with Juan Gonzales and Maria Rables except that I once tried to chase down the Rables mine and I ended up in the same general area where you are now.
Anyway – it might be something interesting to consider. Perhaps there are a couple more clues for you that line up with your area.

Best to you,
Some Dude

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Hi DD,

Please forgive me if I’m way off base here.

Rables described the area at the mine as having a background with three peaks, the center one being furthest away. She described them as being “a few miles away”. While her description of distance does not fit where you are now, I have to wonder about the accuracy of a 14 year old girl’s estimation of distance in a desert environment – especially when she is telling the story as “an aging Mexican woman” (however old that might be) about a place that she saw one time, decades earlier.

I wouldn’t have even thought about those three peaks in your pictures being connected with Juan Gonzales and Maria Rables except that I once tried to chase down the Rables mine and I ended up in the same general area where you are now.
Anyway – it might be something interesting to consider. Perhaps there are a couple more clues for you that line up with your area.

Best to you,
Some Dude

SD,

Yeah, it's funny that they mention 3 peaks, but they're supposed to be further away than in my picture. It's hard to tell what clues got "added to" over the years, until you actually find it, then you can tell which one is the correct description, and which ones are not. This has happened to me on several occasions.

It just takes time in the Hills to figure out what's real and what's been changed a little over time.

Thanks,
Travis

 

[skumpa]

Dirty:

You have to climb up more than 40 ft to see the needle, almost 300 ft or more? you're not far from my spot. Good luck.

Scott

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Dirty:

You have to climb up more than 40 ft to see the needle, almost 300 ft or more? you're not far from my spot. Good luck.

Scott

Skumpa

No, you have to climb about 65 feet to see the needle from my spot.

Maybe we'll run into each other.....

Thanks
Travis

 

[roadrunner]

Hello DD,
I am in Az also,over here by Globe.
The LDM has always intrigued me.Just read a few chapters in some books again at the library.
Are you going out into the Sups anytime this year?

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Hello DD,
I am in Az also,over here by Globe.
The LDM has always intrigued me.Just read a few chapters in some books again at the library.
Are you going out into the Sups anytime this year?

RR,

Im always making trips into the hills. The summer should not be taken lightly, but can be done if you plan ahead. I don't recommend it unless you've made the proper plans WELL BEFORE the summer hits. Even then it's still not something I'd recommend to someone else. I just know my own limits.

During the winter, I go in a lot.

Thanks
Travis

 

[roadrunner]

I am not going in by myself,or without topos,water,ect.
I was reading about possibly the back way into the mine area from queen creek.
It was the story about the 2 soldiers.
And some others.When you go in the winter,maybe i can tag along,if you don,t mind.
The Az heat i am used to as i have my own home remodeling company.I work in the summer heat all the time.
I am also an ex Sergeant for Civil Air Patrol,S.A.R. And a hunter. So i am no slouch in the back country,just to let you know in case you would or could invite me.
Anyway,nice reading and pics you are sharing.

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

I am not going in by myself,or without topos,water,ect.
I was reading about possibly the back way into the mine area from queen creek.
It was the story about the 2 soldiers.
And some others.When you go in the winter,maybe i can tag along,if you don,t mind.
The Az heat i am used to as i have my own home remodeling company.I work in the summer heat all the time.
I am also an ex Sergeant for Civil Air Patrol,S.A.R. And a hunter. So i am no slouch in the back country,just to let you know in case you would or could invite me.
Anyway,nice reading and pics you are sharing.

RR,

I didnt mean to imply anything about you personally, if that's the way I came off. I have made several trips into the hills by myself, and have no problem doing that. Yes, it's dangerous at some places, but I try to use my head. I never try and scare anyone into not going out, just convince them that it's formidable out there and the hills shouldnt be taken lightly.

It seems like you have the skills to hike out there, without a doubt. Private message me your email address, and we can discuss a trip.

thanks,
Travis

 

[roadrunner]

No problem,i didn't take anything from your post.
A lot of people don't realize how tough it is in Az.
Just to let ya know that before i kinda invite myself,i will not be a thorn, or you will have to carry me out,or leave me there for someone else to fetch.
Like that guy last week that went for a hike.Found him dead 4-5 days later.
I knew by the 3rd day he was gone.He only had 1 gallon on his pack.

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

RR,

What happened to Kenny was tragic. And he was an experienced hiker from what i've read.

I carry a SPOT GPS system, just in case something happens and myself or someone with me can't get out. We can call the "cavalry"....

There are several people that go out during the summer. I passed by someones camp last winter (They werent there at those times) and they were slowly bringing in (tons of) water via horseback, evidently stocking up for their summer trips. This is the only way to go if you plan on being there when it's hot. Otherwise it's best to keep it a "Winter sport".

thanks,
Travis

 

[roadrunner]

I will send you a PM,so not to hijack this thread.
He must have only planned to go for the day,and then got lost, or had a stroke, heart attack,or something.
1 gallon is 2 days water.

 

[cactusjumper]

I will send you a PM,so not to hijack this thread.
He must have only planned to go for the day,and then got lost, or had a stroke, heart attack,or something.
1 gallon is 2 days water.

Roadrunner,

A man that size, walking that terrain, in the heat of summer, will not make two days on 1-gallon of water. Some of you may be able to do it, but I would not suggest it to most people.

This man was seen by a couple at Brush Corral. He was sweating profusly, according to them. It would not be hard to go through 3-gallons per day or more in that kind of heat, added to the exertion of the hike.

Just one man's opinion.

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Al D]

I will send you a PM,so not to hijack this thread.
He must have only planned to go for the day,and then got lost, or had a stroke, heart attack,or something.
1 gallon is 2 days water.

Roadrunner
While your resume is impressive Please listen to Joe, you are at great risk in the Superstitions with only 1 gallon of water.
I have hiked there in my younger days in the heat of the summer and I know for a fact that even if you go 2 days on 1 gallon, your body is dying.
We do not need any more casualties.
Be safe
Alan

 

[cactusjumper]

Don't take enough water into the Supe's, and the last thing you may hear is.......the fat lady singing!

Joe

 

[Al D]

When I was in high school, about 1973, a coworker of my mother took his family on a short drive one day in june, the car broke down about a mile from the main road, they had no water with them.
the SAR found them 3 days later.
The heat and thier thirst got so intense that the grandmother and one of the children were found under a small bush where they tried to escape the sun.
The sad thing was they were less than 1 mile from a busy highway.
I don't go into the mountains in the summer anymore, only in the fall and winter.
Alan