Central fl ,100+ Year old cemetary tobe plowed under without removing graves

MMAG

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Apr 9, 2006
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Situation/July/12/2007/ Lake Mary/Heathrow/Sanford Fl/ I-4 corridor.
At the intersection of HY46A(formally Payola rd.) and Orange Blvd.(Million dollar an acre Property). DIRECTLY across from the Back Gate Of (HEATHROW COUNTRY CLUB). The long gone town called Payola which housed workers for the railroad and turpentine industry back in the 1880 -1900s has quietly disappeared over the last century. THE ONE last thing to disappear will be the Old Payola cemetery. It stands at it corner(million$+) looking like just any other strip of woods and overgrowth waiting to be developed.
The body's of some of Florida's first Pioneer families are buried here.
This part of central fl. has seen vicious fighting between the Federal government and the Seminole Indian tribe.Some of these people may have had to fight native Americans and displace them so they could take there land. I myself am a wittiness to the large amount of Precolonial native artifacts found in the area. Some of these people were just poor Railroad workers and some merely poor worker form the lumber and turpentine industry. Not the kind of people who would even be welcome by todays Heathrow residents much less being deadnburied and rotted in there neighborhood. (OH MY) Oh a Daycare Center is to be built on this site.
We have the makings of Caddyshack meets Poltergeist "THE MOVIE" happening here.
The county commission has allready approved a permit to build the center.
The permit specifically allows them to build over without removal of the interred residents.
Heathrow residents are said to have said "We don't want the cemetery restored as it could effect our MILLION DOLLAR + property values. And God Forbid they put a cemetery outside our gated comunity".
These builders always seen to get permits to build over important archaeological sites. Including the I-4-bridge over The St .Johns river at Lake Monroe. The bridge went right over a well known and documented village that in the past had thousands inhabitants . That was a Royal burial mound. I have seen full skeletons which had been looted from 20 30 years before.
So why the big long story. This is proof that the government is only after the financial gain when getting involved in any form of archeology.
No money no interest. Shipwrecks equal GOLD so the GOVERMENT calls them Grave Sites and Says We Must Protect them from treasure hunters.
So now let me throw in the possibility that one grave has in it the (Documented) lost payroll of gold coins meant for Fort Mellon 1830-40 something and allegedly lost in an Indian raid up river. This treasure if found would now be worth 20 to 50 million in rare early US and spanish gold coins. Do we have to give back the spanish ones and keep the Us coins. Or would the State Of Florida CLAIM IT ALL.
This is a REAL DOCUMENTED TREASURE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND.
So is the treasure there, i don t know.
If I go metal detecting at this important archaeological site i will probably will be arrested for grave robbing ,looting,desecration of grave sites-etc.etc.etc. and if convicted get 20 years in jail+
But a Owner and Builder can get a permit to complete destroy the whole site without any thought about THE LOST HISTORY OF FLORIDA.
I Saw the Same thing in NEW SMYRNA BEACH when they bulldosed a ship of discovery(no gold) right off the beach and into a dump truck to be hauled off to a land fill.
They knew exactly what they were doing.
They are the GOVERMENT and they are here to HELP..................................... Please repost and spread the word

Capt.Michael C Maguire
Once and future Treasue Hunter
 

yes please provide me with all your info so that we can go to your site and "find" for ourselves---or so that someone who is much less honest than me will read all about it and then go there and "loot" the area----very smart indeed---Ivan
 

Even if the site gets developed, and any relics or coins will "go to waste" (hauled away in dirt trucks to the dump, or dozed and spread and chopped up by earth movers, etc...), I bet you could still ask "till you're blue in the face", and you'd still get a "no".

Even if you showed some bureaucrat the potential value, the loss of archaeological context (d/t heavy equipment will move dirt all around), they still would rather not be bothered. I mean, you can hardly fault them, because what if some nut with a metal detector slips and falls? He gets to sue the developer or city or whatever. Or they'd be afraid it would turn into a free-for-all, with geeky detectorists roaming all around. etc.... So the easy answer is "no" to anyone, for any purpose of being out there.

It's for reasons like this, that I hesitate to ask when hitting urban demolition sites. After 5pm is a magical time!

If enough fuss is made that an archaeological site is going to be ruined, they can build in the following way: to "cap" the site, and then build upwards. I've seen this happen in CA, where supposedly some indian site or something archaeologically sensitive was at a building site. So the developer still gets to build, but he must "cap" it with XX ft. of soil, and then do his foundations and such above that. Essentially his building project is a little higher than the surrounding neighbors :) This satisfies the EIRs and winers, because, theoretically, the site is preserved, and can, someday 100s of years from now, be investigated for futures generations to see. But from a builders perspective, capping must be a nuisance, and add much expense. I mean, the plumbing, compacting of the soil for the base work, etc... would become a big engineering hassle, it seems.
 

SWR said:
Tom_in_CA said:
It's for reasons like this, that I hesitate to ask when hitting urban demolition sites. After 5pm is a magical time!

It is a third degree felony to trespass on a construction site in Florida. Bad idea.
Especially since they are fenced off and posted.
 

SWR said:
Tom_in_CA said:
It's for reasons like this, that I hesitate to ask when hitting urban demolition sites. After 5pm is a magical time!

It is a third degree felony to trespass on a construction site in Florida. Bad idea.
Seems like they can turn anything into a feleny here in Florida if they want to.
 

that cemetary is right down the road from my house.its all over grown,looks like the woods.i dont think im gonna go pokeing around there.i have a better area.a site of a old casino that burnt down in the 20's.im working on getting permission to search there.
 

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