Cartridge casing id

[fadetoblack]

So it is marked VPT 41. From what I have found online it was made by a company in Finland. From the 41 with no decimal I figure its military ammo from 1941. The question I have is on the caliber. It measures 8mm on the bullet end. Wondering if anyone knows if any military used an 8mm round. Also when fired does the casing expand much? I found it in Vt in the woods and I am guessing that someone fired it at a deer and that it was military surplus ammo. What do you think?

 

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[GpSnoopy]

That's my mistake. I just repeated what the caption on the photo was, and didn't catch that. Morale of the story, don't always take everything stated on the web as gospel. I do try to use several sources to confirm the information. Will check and see what the various reloading sites have these listed as.

 

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[pippinwhitepaws]

AMMO: 8x54 Factory Loads


the finish used much german material in the winter war with Russia...1939. aircraft, light infantry weapons, tanks an cannon.

 

[GpSnoopy]

As with anything, there are always a few exceptions to the rule. The letters themselves are used for many different cartridges sizes, not just the 8x57. The example I gave above about bullet size and the letters were specific for this cartridge, however. As for the photo, I just copied the caption as it was stated on that site, my bad.

Saying that, there appears to be a common usage by manufacturers of using JRS (IRS) for the 8x57 rimmed bullet, whether or not it was for infantry use or not (perhaps to ensure no one buys the wrong one??). Every forum I went to stated that the rimmed version was for the break open or combination type rifle, not for bolt action rifles. So, perhaps a bit more research is required......

 

[fadetoblack]

Another thing to add to the pot is that my belief was that military surplus ammo was full metal jacket and that it couldn't be used for hunting. I guess military ammo is intended to incapacitate(injure) a threat where non FMJ hunting ammo is meant to expand and do more damage (kill)

 

[fadetoblack]

AMMO: 8x54 Factory Loads


the finish used much german material in the winter war with Russia...1939. aircraft, light infantry weapons, tanks an cannon.

My wife actually found this last night. At least about the war with the Russians. I had wondered if Finland was with the Germans or not. I guess so if they were using German material.

I like to look around when I find a casing in the woods and wonder.. Did they shoot at a deer, a bear? Did they get it? Which way were they shooting at it? When was it fired? Always a story behind the items we find that we could never know:-)

 

[NOLA_Ken]

It looks to be a rimmed 7.92 x 57 cartridge. As far as I'm aware that was made for use in civilian sporting rifles and is not a military round.