Can anyone rent me their machine for a couple of days?

[jsmith4750449]

Good afternoon. I hope this email finds you all well! My name is Jason, and I live here in Edmond. I went down to the White dealer on the southside Friday to try to rent a machine, but the one i'm needing, they dont rent. I'm needing a machine that will detect a bit deeper. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to rent me their machine? Like at least an MXT300 or preferably a whites spectra V3. These are the ones he recommended for what i need to detect for. I dont know how to use any of them so a 15 min basics crash course would be necessary!

I would be willing to pay a daily rental fee. I'll probably need it 2 days. Past that, i might be more over my head than anticipated and will probably just break down and buy one eventually myself. But i cant see buying one, at least right now, as this specific item is the only thing i'm needing it for.

I have a discovery metal detector tf 900 that i could leave as collateral as well, plus several other items around the house that would add up to the value of your detector. I was going to say i could leave my driver license, but I might need that!

I would care for and treat it as well as my newborn baby, as I'm very meticulous and careful, and prefer to return things in better condition than when I borrowed them!

Anyway, if anyone interested, please shoot me an email at [email protected]. thank you!

 

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[sharpshooter]

Maybe it would help if you could tell us the approximate size of the target and how deep you think it is buried. The MXT 300 and Spectra V3 are nice machines but not necessarily deeper than detectors made by other companies.

 

[lokkenpa]

I could help you find whatever it is that was lost. I am not that far away, I live at waterloo and coaltrain.

Let me know
Phil

 

[jsmith4750449]

thank you all for such quick responses. I wasn't quite expecting that!

sharpshooter - the size of the objects are larger but it's buried a bit deep. 3 to 4 ft. I'm not sold on the white's brand necessarily...that's just what was recommended to me and the only thing i knew, as i dont know any other brands to compare to for deeper detection abilities.

lokkenpa - i appreciate your offer as i'm relatively clueless at hunting...it's been quite an art to say the least with the deep detecting machine. i did find a smashed soda can 'in the field' (i didnt have foreknowledge of it's location) about 1 ft down so i know it picks things up. I'm just having a heck of a time getting the ground settings set correctly and getting many false signals.

The other machines are suppose to be more 'turn it on and go' as opposed to old school, have to know-how-to-be-an-engineer! That's why i'm seeking one of these other machines out.

The location isn't near here, but I unfortunately cant have anyone help me anyway...rather disgusted actually, because again, i'm a relative novice. But if the machines work and detect even 1/10 easier and more user friendly than the tf900, i think i'll be just fine and can figure them out. I'm pretty good with computers and tinkering, adjusting, and analytical thinking on the go.

thank you both for your help and please let me know if you'd be interested in renting!

 

[sharpshooter]

I'm going to ask BJ in Okla to jump in here if he will since he knows more about detectors than anyone else I know.

What will it take to pick up a target 3 to 4 feet deep?

Personally, I think it's going to take a 2-box unit to pick up something that deep. I don't know of anybody that has one. If you had a huge coil on a detector it might pick it up if the target were the size of a suitcase; I just don't know. I do know that 3 to 4 feet is way beyond the reach of a regular detector.

 

[Bertman]

An F75 in Stat mode can get very deep items... Can't see loaning out a 1K machine though...

 

[jsmith4750449]

Bertman - thanks for the info. I cant find any max depth stats on the F75 though. DO you think it'd detect down to 4 ft?

I wanted to re-iterate, i wasnt wanting a free 'loan' per se, but was willing to rent/pay for use of a machine. The metal detector shop rents for $40/day models that WONT work for my need. So I was thinking even up to $80 to even $100/day if someone has something that will go that deep (including items for collateral that their RESALE value would be equal to the value of a NEW machine of whatever i was renting) I cant figure out how to make it any more fair than that. So really not a ton of risk on the rentor's part.

I'm leaning more toward buying something at this point unfortunately though (as this is the only time i would need it), but i'd rather not have to. What i dont want is to get out there and waste two days and $200 and be back at square 1. I should be able to find it with 2 solid days of hunting, but i'm leaning toward just buying something. I figure you buy a $1000 machine, and can re-sell it as used for just 2-3 days and get $700 to $800 back out of it because it'd essentially be in new condition still.

Do you all lean more toward the F75 fisher or Spectra V3? or would a MXT300 do the job?...or do you all recommend something else entirely different for moderate size objects (bowling ball size) 3 to 4 ft down? I don't want to spend more than like $1300 to $1400 max but prefer to stay around $800. I need something fairly user friendly / turn on and go. I have a 2 box unit that I bought for this specific dig, but it is hard to tweak for ground effect and doesnt have ability to guesstimate what kind of metal it's picking up, so need something that's fairly simple and that will WORK! thanks for everyone's help!

 

[savant365]

It sounds to me like you need someone who knows how to use the 2 box you already have. Instead of investing in another machine maybe you need to invest in a partner. I saw where you said you couldn't have any one help you so maybe that won't work. Have you tried to bury a similar object at 4 ft. and try to get your detector to pick it up? I have no expierence with them but I am sure someone here does and would help you out for a lot less then you could buy another detector. Good luck on your hunt,

HH Charlie

 

[stefen]

Precisely where do you reside?

Where geographically will the machine be used?

Are you willing to provide a cash bond?

Willing to set up an escrow account securing the rental or lease?

 

[Monty]

It's quite obvious you are a newby at detecting. No standard detector that I know of will go deeper than about a foot or slightly more. You will need special equipment to look for whatever it is at 3 to 4 feet. That usually entails at least a couple tousand dollars and I don't know anyone who would trust a newbie and a stranger at best with that kind of equipment. I wouldn't. Now if you wouldn't be so cryptic and accept an offer for someone to share in whatever adventure you have in mind, you might find a taker. Otherwise, no thanks I think will be your answer. Monty

 

[jsmith4750449]

savant365 - I have unfortunately had this delima over a year now. i have thought of this....getting someone experienced to help me with the machine I already have. It's a bit complicated, but it goes back to I cant have any help, and most people arent willing to help for nothing. So then you get into do i rent their time to show me how to use it?

I went into a bit of detail with the local detector dealer and he thought there might be something wrong with the 2 box machine which he said is not that uncommon. And I dont have anyone close/trusted that i know that knows anything about metal detecting let alone a 2 box. On the technical side, I probably know more than most on these forums... just dont have the logged in field time as maybe some of you do. Anyone can find a quarter 6 inches down w/ a decent machine you know!

So which leads me to trying to find an easier machine to use. I've used other machines in the past. I bought the 2 box knowing they were difficult. Even seasoned hunters have a hard time with them. And the specific machine i need is more than the $300 to $500 standard machine that can be rented here locally.

I appreciate your insight!

Stefen... i mentioned i live in Edmond...that's here in Oklahoma. That's why I posted on the Oklahoma forum, because i was trying to find someone locally to deal with.

That's an excellent idea...seems much easier getting some sort of bond. Do you know of any underwriters that specialize in this specific situation? Id much rather do this than leave a bunch of my personal stuff as collateral. Just easier on both sides if God forbids something happened to their machine.

As far as an escrow account... i'll just pay cash upfront for the rental portion of it. I dont see that an escrow service is needed. And then they'd be protected by the bond.

The more i get into this, the more i think I'll probably just buy another machine and have my $200 to $300 in 'rent' go toward the cost and just sell it when I'm done with it. Just seems easier at this point.

I didn't mean to upset anyone... my original intent was to just see if someone could rent me their machine. Pretty simple... but it's gets interesting real quick with all of the questions and opinions.

Now i just need to whittle down what the best machine would be for the job... a piece of crap 2 box isn't it as far as i'm concerned so far, lol! So any insight from anyone would be greatly appreciated, but understandable if people for whatever reason dont want to share your ideas.

Info is available on the web... it's just searching high and low for it and manufacturer's claims can be a bit biased and unreliable, so I prefer to hear someone with experience on finding something down this far. thanks!

 

[stefen]

savant365 - I have unfortunately had this delima over a year now. i have thought of this....getting someone experienced to help me with the machine I already have. It's a bit complicated, but it goes back to I cant have any help, and most people arent willing to help for nothing. So then you get into do i rent their time to show me how to use it?

I went into a bit of detail with the local detector dealer and he thought there might be something wrong with the 2 box machine which he said is not that uncommon. And I dont have anyone close/trusted that i know that knows anything about metal detecting let alone a 2 box. On the technical side, I probably know more than most on these forums... just dont have the logged in field time as maybe some of you do. Anyone can find a quarter 6 inches down w/ a decent machine you know!

So which leads me to trying to find an easier machine to use. I've used other machines in the past. I bought the 2 box knowing they were difficult. Even seasoned hunters have a hard time with them. And the specific machine i need is more than the $300 to $500 standard machine that can be rented here locally.

I appreciate your insight!

Stefen... i mentioned i live in Edmond...that's here in Oklahoma. That's why I posted on the Oklahoma forum, because i was trying to find someone locally to deal with.
That's an excellent idea...seems much easier getting some sort of bond. Do you know of any underwriters that specialize in this specific situation? Id much rather do this than leave a bunch of my personal stuff as collateral. Just easier on both sides if God forbids something happened to their machine.

As far as an escrow account... i'll just pay cash upfront for the rental portion of it. I dont see that an escrow service is needed. And then they'd be protected by the bond.

The more i get into this, the more i think I'll probably just buy another machine and have my $200 to $300 in 'rent' go toward the cost and just sell it when I'm done with it. Just seems easier at this point.

I didn't mean to upset anyone... my original intent was to just see if someone could rent me their machine. Pretty simple... but it's gets interesting real quick with all of the questions and opinions.

Now i just need to whittle down what the best machine would be for the job... a piece of crap 2 box isn't it as far as i'm concerned so far, lol! So any insight from anyone would be greatly appreciated, but understandable if people for whatever reason dont want to share your ideas.

Info is available on the web... it's just searching high and low for it and manufacturer's claims can be a bit biased and unreliable, so I prefer to hear someone with experience on finding something down this far. thanks!

Your post was the result of a sidebar by another please-help-post...no idea where you were

 

[jsmith4750449]

stefen - I apologize! I guess i dont know what a side-bar post is or how my initial post got there?! Strange. I dont use these forums very often so wasn't aware things can get split off from the original message. It looked like you posted under my original post/thread here on the Oklahoma forum. I was wondering a bit why someone from California was responding and figured you just happened upon the topic in the OK section. Your profile shows Ca...does mine not show from Ok? I dont even know how to check yet. Anyway, my apologies again... i guess i shouldn't assume people see or have access to the previous or first post.

Now i guess bottom line...Do you know of an underwriter? Excellent idea if Im going to rent. thanks!

 

[stefen]

Any Bank will set up an escrow account...many are simple and extremely low cost.

As to a bond, contact any bonding company in hour state (except bail bondsmen).

Just for grins, ever think about dowsers (divining rods)...a lot of great claims abound

 

[jsmith4750449]

Stefen,
i figured the 'd' word (dowsing) was a dirty word around here! But yes i've thought of that...even ordered a course to help hone the skill - i suck at it btw, lol! My daughter watched part of the course and is good at it though. Found a dime three different times in our big backyard that i hid deep down in the grass. I've even thought of taking her to the area just to see if she picks up anything....cant hurt.

 

[stefen]

I look at dowsing like you might look at a thermos...

With a thermos, you fill it with hot water and it stays hot...and if you fill it with cold water it stays cold...how do it know?

Dowsers claim they can find anything from mouse shlt to deeply buried treasures...from a printed map to actual field conditions...

I have an internal Dowsing BS meter and it goes off from time to time...

 

[jsmith4750449]

Stefen - I cant personally dowse. All i know is my daughter found a hidden dime three different times. My wife had her inside to make sure she wasnt peeking out into the backyard when i was hiding them. Different days as well.

I used to think it's kind of bs as well... but not sure what to think though cause I've seen some stranger things in my days. I just cant do it at all though.

I also cant draw a stick figure, but i can play about any musical instrument you set in front of me. Maybe some can and some cant is my point i guess.

 

[stefen]

Each of us has a personal bias and opinion...which makes life more interesting.

No amount of arguement will alter how we feel, therefore we must respect the opinion of others and keep moving forward.

 

[lostcauses]

Questions for you
1;:how do you really know a target is there??
2: what is the metal of the target if you know it is there?
3: How do you know how deep it is??
4: how large of an area are you going to have to search??

I suspect from what you re saying, if such a target is there, you will have a problem finding it.
Your lack of experience is going to go against you.
Advice is: similar material, similar size and go bury it were you know were it is. Note use a bit of salt and water as you bury it to get a good ground connection. If it is gold or silver, I would advise the approximate size in copper or brass, If iron well easier to set up a test and learning site.

See if yours, or other equipment can find it with you operating it. Other wise this is a futile attempt.

One strange method is a ground resistivity system in a tight pattern, again depend on the ground buried in, and experience with such. A mega ohm meeter can be used for them depths. good connection with the ground has to be done.
I am surprised you have not located such with a twin box, yet again experience plays a role with all equipment. The item would have to be in the ground for a time with this method.

And then there is the old fashion method, NO not dowsing: it is a long rod of about five foot to shove in the ground feeling the rod as you go. Again a good pattern has to be laid out as you go. Ground that has been disturbed will be findable using such as well as hard object. Experience comes into play with this again. Now days this method is used to find old out houses cisterns and so on. It can be used to find a jar of coins and so on. It is a lot of work.

I hope I may have gave you some ideas. Good luck.

 

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