Can anyone give me some insight on this small painting (Duvivier) ???????

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While cleaning out one of my closets, I came across this small painting I bought at an auction years ago. I was wondering if anyone might be able to give me some info. It is on laid paper. The name on the painting is Duvivier. Not sure if that is the name of the sitter or the artist. I've placed a quarter on the frame so you can see the size. What period is the clothing on the figure? I was thinking mid to late 18th century??? Well, any input would be appreciated. Thanks

duvivier 1.webp
duvivier 2.webp
duvivier 3.webp
duvivier 4.webp
 

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BuckleBoy said:
Didn't the poster of this thread already state that he Bought the frame to go with the painting?? So why date the frame, if it did not come with the painting, and since it does not give any clue about the painting's age?

In fact, why even discuss the frame at all?

I bought it for the miniature painting. Not the ridiculous frame

I get a different meaning from that BB ;D
Mike
 

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What a crazy cool piece you have there! :thumbsup:
A painting in itself I find awesome but to be a miniature as well . . . awesome! :icon_thumleft:

You probably have already located this info but on my brief search I came across these articles & such:

1) http://books.google.com/books?id=8E...page&q=miniature painting by Duvivier&f=false

2) DUVIVIER and Son

Flourished 1/96.
Miniature painters.

"Duvivier and Son" painted on "silks and satins."
They conducted a drawing academy.
1. Ebenezer Hazard, 1796.

Rev. T. E. Vermilye, N. Y. 1892.

http://www.archive.org/stream/earlyamericanpor00bolt/earlyamericanpor00bolt_djvu.txt

3) http://www.schwarzgallery.com/catalogs/misc/pdf/cat72.pdf

I think you have an exceptionally grand lil piece there! And if it is from the late 1700's, possibly on silk. . . that blows me away! I hope when you confirm any info on this gent you will be letting us know what you find out :D
 

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If it's authentic and period, it looks like a drawing/sketch for the Napoleon medal signed by the man who designed the medals-- Duvivier. Of course, it could be that someone had the medal and completed a study of it, much as people draw the works of famous artists now as practice. So, you need to see if that is in fact the signature of Benjamin Duvivier. I would be curious what a good antique store would say about it-- and what its value is. The large frame, to me, indicates that someone who previously owned it felt it was (a) very old or (b) very valuable. It would be interesting to see if they were correct.
It was framed that way to draw attention to what otherwise is a very small, easy to miss across the room type of image.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/985522


Revolutionary-Era Medals

During the first years of the French Revolution, the production of medals-once a royal monopoly-enjoyed a renaissance. With the breakdown of royal authority, the number of workshops producing medals, jetons (small medals) and medallions (oversized medals) multiplied.

These medallions were designed not only by independent engravers seeking to establish their reputations, but also by former royal engravers, such as Benjamin Duvivier, who now turned their talents to the glorification of the French Revolution. Medals commemorated the great figures and events of the period. In the first years of the Revolution, for example, medals depicted Louis XVI as the restorer of the French Constitution and as a great supporter of reform, not as the tyrant worthy of death on the guillotine, his ultimate fate. Other medals were struck honoring Jean Sylvain Bailly, the Comte de Mirabeau, and the Marquis de Lafayette, among other great Revolutionary political figures. Medals were also struck to commemorate key events, such as the opening of the Estates-General.
 

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I'm wondering if there is an institution that I might be able to send a picture of the painting and get more information.

ipsilateral... I thought the same thing about the frame. I always wondered why someone would go through the trouble of making a frame like this for such a small painting. Maybe they had or thought they had an important piece of artwork.
 

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bogeymcq said:
What a crazy cool piece you have there! :thumbsup:
A painting in itself I find awesome but to be a miniature as well . . . awesome! :icon_thumleft:

You probably have already located this info but on my brief search I came across these articles & such:

1) http://books.google.com/books?id=8E...page&q=miniature painting by Duvivier&f=false

2) DUVIVIER and Son

Flourished 1/96.
Miniature painters.

"Duvivier and Son" painted on "silks and satins."
They conducted a drawing academy.
1. Ebenezer Hazard, 1796.

Rev. T. E. Vermilye, N. Y. 1892.

http://www.archive.org/stream/earlyamericanpor00bolt/earlyamericanpor00bolt_djvu.txt

3) http://www.schwarzgallery.com/catalogs/misc/pdf/cat72.pdf

I think you have an exceptionally grand lil piece there! And if it is from the late 1700's, possibly on silk. . . that blows me away! I hope when you confirm any info on this gent you will be letting us know what you find out :D

Thanks for the research. The painting is not on silk or satin. It is on laid paper. It has the feel of a "study" rather than a completely worked piece.
 

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I agree the frame discussion is somewhat clouding the issue. I'd remove the frame and photograph the canvas back. Evidence of mildew/foxing will provide a better feel for the age, though not always. Again, the signature's size is not indicative of an 18th century artist. I wouldn't worry about damaging the frame in the removal process as it has nominal value.
 

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kyphote said:
I agree the frame discussion is somewhat clouding the issue. I'd remove the frame and photograph the canvas back. Evidence of mildew/foxing will provide a better feel for the age, though not always. Again, the signature's size is not indicative of an 18th century artist. I wouldn't worry about damaging the frame in the removal process as it has nominal value.

When you say canvas back, are you referring to the painting? The painting is not on canvas. It is on laid paper. I have held it up to a light and I do not see a watermark.
 

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pjroo33 said:
kyphote said:
I agree the frame discussion is somewhat clouding the issue. I'd remove the frame and photograph the canvas back. Evidence of mildew/foxing will provide a better feel for the age, though not always. Again, the signature's size is not indicative of an 18th century artist. I wouldn't worry about damaging the frame in the removal process as it has nominal value.

When you say canvas back, are you referring to the painting? The painting is not on canvas. It is on laid paper. I have held it up to a light and I do not see a watermark.

Sorry, I use the the word "canvas" to refer to the surface of any painting. "Paper back" reminds me too much of a blue crab molting. Thanks for checking the watermark.
 

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I think it's more than a coencidence that the painting resembles the Napoleon medal. And the name on the painting is obviously French. So, I am pretty much convinced you have a Napolean miniature. I have no clue what it might be worth or how old it might be. Art just isn't my thing, so I will shut up. Monty
 

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Looks modern to me
due to the bright water colors
The white stands outs way to much
May be done on old paper
Usually i see this type of art / photo art in black ink
Not bright water colors like this example
Brady
 

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BuckleBoy said:
Didn't the poster of this thread already state that he Bought the frame to go with the painting?? So why date the frame, if it did not come with the painting, and since it does not give any clue about the painting's age?

In fact, why even discuss the frame at all?
I missed that. I believe he said that he "bought it with the ridiculous frame".
I hate reading these threads that wont fit my screen. ;D

I agree we dont need to discuss the frame because its probably not original.
I removed mention of the frame so as not to cloud the issue.
 

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You wrote you bought this at an auction, right?
Do you recall how long ago? Was it an estate sale?

I know this is going to sound exceptionally silly & perhaps far fetched but have you considered speaking with the "auction house" to see if they had any additional info on this piece? Finding out where it came from might help lead up to a bit more info on it.

How about a local College or Muesum? Maybe you could talk to them about it, ask them to please take a looky-loo?

Can you recall if there was any writing or symbols on the back of the painting?
:D
 

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There is no writing on the back of the painting. The painting was in the frame when purchased.

Why is this thread not fitting on my screen? I have to scroll to the right to see everything.
 

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pjroo33 said:
Why is this thread not fitting on my screen? I have to scroll to the right to see everything.


Two things, the long link posted a few posts above, and your monitor not being able to support it. (Mine is fine)
 

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pjroo33 said:
There is no writing on the back of the painting. The painting was in the frame when purchased.

Why is this thread not fitting on my screen? I have to scroll to the right to see everything.
I hate it too. IP is correct. Someone posted an extra long link.
Its usually the cache search type.

Breezie can you post that link that shortens these long links?

I post in short sentences to try and help.
 

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I use a Macbook at home with a 17 inch wide screen monitor and I can see everything just fine. I have a regular monitor at work and I can't see everything without scrolling.
 

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Did you ever find out what this fascinating little painting is?
 

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