Calling All Con Artists ... How Would You Play It?

[BennyV]

FDR was scammed like everyone else.

Maybe.

 

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[Sand Swinger]

For years and years, some people thought Mel Fisher was running a scam or con. He'd have people invest in has salvage operation for a share of the finds. My parents had an opportunity to invest but decided to use their money to buy another boat. So, for years and years and more years, there were those who thought he was a fraudster, running a scam, collecting money from a lot of "unsuspecting victims".

And then, he found the Atocha...

And all those investors who took a chance, were very, very, VERY happy. It's only considered a "scam" by some until the treasure is found.

 

[TruthbeTold]

For years and years, some people thought Mel Fisher was running a scam or con. He'd have people invest in has salvage operation for a share of the finds. My parents had an opportunity to invest but decided to use their money to buy another boat. So, for years and years and more years, there were those who thought he was a fraudster, running a scam, collecting money from a lot of "unsuspecting victims".

And then, he found the Atocha...

And all those investors who took a chance, were very, very, VERY happy. It's only considered a "scam" by some until the treasure is found.

Mel Fisher was going after an actual historical documented treasure.

The oak island scam has been going on for over 200 years with each new promoter claiming a different kind of treasure, fake finds, etc.

 

[Sand Swinger]

Mel Fisher was going after an actual historical documented treasure.

The oak island scam has been going on for over 200 years with each new promoter claiming a different kind of treasure, fake finds, etc.

Doesn't change the fact that there were people that called him a fraud. People that don't really know can say all kinds of things.

As far as Oak Island goes, nobody really knows exactly what is buried there, so there's a lot of different theories or ideas as to what may be buried there. There is documentation, it wasn't just that article in Reader's Digest, which I read as a kid. Ship Captains from that time wrote about Oak Island in their journals, there are carvings and symbols on rocks and markers, not just at Oak Island, but also in France and Portugal. The rocks & markers with symbols on Oak Island line up perfectly and are constructed the same way and using the same symbols that the Knights Templar used.

They've found roman coins, along with coins from other parts of the word on Oak Island. Artifacts they've found have been carbon dated to medieval times. Lead that they've found has been tested and determined that it comes from a specific area in France. Each of these may not appear on the surface to be the answer to the mystery, but combined, they all add up to paint a picture that something happened on Oak Island a long time ago.

They may find the treasure, they may not, but somebody hundreds of years ago went through incredible trouble to design such an elaborate and complicated system for hiding whatever it was that they were hiding. Personally, I feel that if it was just a chest or two of gold or other "typical" treasure, they could have probably gotten away with digging a 40 ft hole, cover it up, and nobody would know it was there, except for the depositors. It wasn't like Oak Island was a tourist destination in the 1700's, so probably not a lot of people visited that island, except for the large number of crew who lived on Oak Island for who knows how long, to dig tunnels and holes well over 100 feet deep, and to have designed water traps to make sure whatever it was that they were hiding, stayed hid.

To me, there's just too many coincidences and too much work that went into constructing the elaborate hiding place of whatever they buried. That's a tremendous amount of work to hide a chest or two. It had to be something of incredible historical value and significance. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Take some time and dig thru the many oak island threads here.

Then do more research to reinforce what you saw.

You will see a pattern of changing stories, no historical facts, and many planted finds.

The only things found on oak island have been common artifacts from 200+ years of common human activity.

The tv show has proven the multitude of previous scams as well as the current scam.

The laginas do love new believers who watch the show as they continue to re-hash 12 seasons of nonsense in an attempt to stay on tv.

 

[Sand Swinger]

Take some time and dig thru the many oak island threads here.

Then do more research to reinforce what you saw.

You will see a pattern of changing stories, no historical facts, and many planted finds.

The only things found on oak island have been common artifacts from 200+ years of common human activity.

The tv show has proven the multitude of previous scams as well as the current scam.

The laginas do love new believers who watch the show as they continue to re-hash 12 seasons of nonsense in an attempt to stay on tv.

I'm not a new believer as I've been watching the show since the first episode, so I guess I'm somewhat "invested" after 12 years of watching.

I can't say for certain that there's something there, but I also can't say for certain that nothings there. I haven't been to Oak Island, I haven't been part of the hunt, so I have no definitive way of saying it's true, or it's not true. To say either way would be speculation.

I've read through some of the other threads, and it confirmed for me why I was never interested in becoming an engineer or mathematician or astronomer or surveyor, because a lot of the deciphering using math, geometry, positions or stars and so on just makes my head hurt, lol. I'm not the guy who is going to solve the mystery and figure everything out. But I do enjoy watching those with more brain matter than I try to figure it out.

When were you at Oak Island and witnessed the planting of finds?

 

[BennyV]

I'm not a new believer as I've been watching the show since the first episode, so I guess I'm somewhat "invested" after 12 years of watching.

I can't say for certain that there's something there, but I also can't say for certain that nothings there. I haven't been to Oak Island, I haven't been part of the hunt, so I have no definitive way of saying it's true, or it's not true. To say either way would be speculation.

I've read through some of the other threads, and it confirmed for me why I was never interested in becoming an engineer or mathematician or astronomer or surveyor, because a lot of the deciphering using math, geometry, positions or stars and so on just makes my head hurt, lol. I'm not the guy who is going to solve the mystery and figure everything out. But I do enjoy watching those with more brain matter than I try to figure it out.

When were you at Oak Island and witnessed the planting of finds?

Dig into the salt works story. It makes sense to me.

 

[Limitool]

Doesn't change the fact that there were people that called him a fraud. People that don't really know can say all kinds of things.

As far as Oak Island goes, nobody really knows exactly what is buried there, so there's a lot of different theories or ideas as to what may be buried there. There is documentation, it wasn't just that article in Reader's Digest, which I read as a kid. Ship Captains from that time wrote about Oak Island in their journals, there are carvings and symbols on rocks and markers, not just at Oak Island, but also in France and Portugal. The rocks & markers with symbols on Oak Island line up perfectly and are constructed the same way and using the same symbols that the Knights Templar used.

They've found roman coins, along with coins from other parts of the word on Oak Island. Artifacts they've found have been carbon dated to medieval times. Lead that they've found has been tested and determined that it comes from a specific area in France. Each of these may not appear on the surface to be the answer to the mystery, but combined, they all add up to paint a picture that something happened on Oak Island a long time ago.

They may find the treasure, they may not, but somebody hundreds of years ago went through incredible trouble to design such an elaborate and complicated system for hiding whatever it was that they were hiding. Personally, I feel that if it was just a chest or two of gold or other "typical" treasure, they could have probably gotten away with digging a 40 ft hole, cover it up, and nobody would know it was there, except for the depositors. It wasn't like Oak Island was a tourist destination in the 1700's, so probably not a lot of people visited that island, except for the large number of crew who lived on Oak Island for who knows how long, to dig tunnels and holes well over 100 feet deep, and to have designed water traps to make sure whatever it was that they were hiding, stayed hid.

To me, there's just too many coincidences and too much work that went into constructing the elaborate hiding place of whatever they buried. That's a tremendous amount of work to hide a chest or two. It had to be something of incredible historical value and significance. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

"... nobody really knows exactly what is buried there..."

How did you jump to the conclusion that "something" was/is buried there? Many people take off from this "belief" beforehand and then play into it from all kinds of different angles. But taking off from a conclusion just seems so stupid and backwards. A KNOWN shipwreck is a forgone conclusion... go find it. What is Oak Islands...?

 

[Sand Swinger]

"... nobody really knows exactly what is buried there..."

How did you jump to the conclusion that "something" was/is buried there? Many people take off from this "belief" beforehand and then play into it from all kinds of different angles. But taking off from a conclusion just seems so stupid and backwards. A KNOWN shipwreck is a forgone conclusion... go find it. What is Oak Islands...?

Common sense, business sense. Starting a massive treasure hunt, spending millions of $, involving tons of other people, 3rd party companies, scientists, archaeologists and historians without having some evidence, some conclusion to at least support the belief that there is something buried there, would be stupid and backwards IMO.

There have been countless scientists & historians over the years, from around the world, that have chimed in with specific information they're privy to, that supports the belief that there is or was something of immense importance buried at Oak Island.

Although the History channel is now contributing $ to the production of the show, in the beginning, Rick & Marti were funding the hunt out of their own pockets, and they still fund a large portion. The History channel pays for the production costs, the Lagina's pay for other necessary expenses such as the cost of drilling, ultra-sound testing, scientific analysis of metals and wood, etc. Watch the early episodes, Marti was always concerned about how much they were spending, he watched every $ like a hawk. The last few years, he hasn't shown the same concern, probably due to the History channel kicking in and taking 1/2 the load off his shoulders.

But to just pick a piece of land or island and say "let's dig" & spend millions of $, without having any historical evidence, clues or documentation to at least provide a reasonable belief that there's something there would be totally ludicrous. There may be something there, or maybe not, I don't know. But as I see it, there's 3 possible outcomes. 1. They find treasure. 2. They find evidence that there previously was treasure. 3. They find nothing and give up.

But I do know that if you're going to start a massive and expensive treasure hunt, and you'll need to line up investors, a large crew, scientists, various experts, 3rd party companies, and get the History channel to sign on and commit to spending large sums of $, you're going to need to show them something more solid than just telling them that you have a "feeling" or had a dream that there's something there.

 

[Limitool]

Common sense, business sense. Starting a massive treasure hunt, spending millions of $, involving tons of other people, 3rd party companies, scientists, archaeologists and historians without having some evidence, some conclusion to at least support the belief that there is something buried there, would be stupid and backwards IMO.

There have been countless scientists & historians over the years, from around the world, that have chimed in with specific information they're privy to, that supports the belief that there is or was something of immense importance buried at Oak Island.

Although the History channel is now contributing $ to the production of the show, in the beginning, Rick & Marti were funding the hunt out of their own pockets, and they still fund a large portion. The History channel pays for the production costs, the Lagina's pay for other necessary expenses such as the cost of drilling, ultra-sound testing, scientific analysis of metals and wood, etc. Watch the early episodes, Marti was always concerned about how much they were spending, he watched every $ like a hawk. The last few years, he hasn't shown the same concern, probably due to the History channel kicking in and taking 1/2 the load off his shoulders.

But to just pick a piece of land or island and say "let's dig" & spend millions of $, without having any historical evidence, clues or documentation to at least provide a reasonable belief that there's something there would be totally ludicrous. There may be something there, or maybe not, I don't know. But as I see it, there's 3 possible outcomes. 1. They find treasure. 2. They find evidence that there previously was treasure. 3. They find nothing and give up.

But I do know that if you're going to start a massive and expensive treasure hunt, and you'll need to line up investors, a large crew, scientists, various experts, 3rd party companies, and get the History channel to sign on and commit to spending large sums of $, you're going to need to show them something more solid than just telling them that you have a "feeling" or had a dream that there's something there.

OK, worded another way... How did they jump to the conclusion that "something" was/is buried there? Your assuming "they" came to that conclusion based on REAL EVIDENCE. What real evidence has ever been shown to back that up. I've followed the show from season #1 and can't remember seeing one logical reason to have started or continue outside of the History Channel and others making money. That's the only "common sense" and "business sense" thus far shown.

YOU STATE: "But to just pick a piece of land or island and say "let's dig" & spend millions of $, without having any historical evidence, clues or documentation to at least provide a reasonable belief that there's something there would be totally ludicrous."

Absolutely true.... Unless your making a lot of money from it.