CALIFORNIA & DREDGING

We asked F&G about dredging on our creeks and were told they'd arrest us. Then I watched active dredging go on for days at a location on a different creek 20 miles away. We were told that nobody cares what they do. This was in plain view off a major highway. FRUSTRATING. I am president of a mining company with partners & investors & have mining permits & a good relationship with local & State authorities so I can't chance getting our company in trouble as much as I'd love to dredge our creeks which measure over 4000 ft.
 

ghostminer said:
We asked F&G about dredging on our creeks and were told they'd arrest us. Then I watched active dredging go on for days at a location on a different creek 20 miles away. We were told that nobody cares what they do. This was in plain view off a major highway. FRUSTRATING. I am president of a mining company with partners & investors & have mining permits & a good relationship with local & State authorities so I can't chance getting our company in trouble as much as I'd love to dredge our creeks which measure over 4000 ft.
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The "Type of Lands" is the real 'Core issue' just take a look at "Case Law of mining". California has the most "Case Law history on mining" you should not have any trouble finding information first hand. Thanks for posting ghostminer. You may even find some information about "Resurveys" along the ways.
What use are your 'Permits' as you should take a look at the "Types of Lands".
 

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Anyone start reading the following from this one's thread:

Records of Oregon Land Offices

49.7.10 Records of the Office of the Surveyor General of Oregon
Textual Records (in Seattle): Letters sent to the Commissioner, 1851-1921; deputy surveyors, 1875-1904; deputy mineral surveyors, 1887-1903; and land offices, 1856-1906. Letters received from the Commissioner, 1865-1913; deputy surveyors, 1851-1902; and land offices, 1873-1903. Miscellaneous letters sent, 1851-1921, and received, 1851-1913. Registers of donation land claims, 1853- 1910. Contracts and bonds for surveys, 1851-1910.
https://www.archives.gov/research/gu...9.html#49.7.10
49.1 ADMINISTRATIVE HISTORY
Established: In the Department of the Interior by Secretary's Order 2225, July 15, 1946, implementing Reorganization Plan No. III of 1946, effective July 16, 1946.
Predecessor Agencies:
In the Department of the Treasury:
• Office of the Secretary of the Treasury (1789-1812)
• Register of the Treasury (1789-1812)
• General Land Office (1812-49)
https://www.archives.gov/research/gu.../049.html#49.1
49.2.3 Other records
Textual Records: Railroad mortgages, 1886-1938. Register of mining entries, 1875-1907. Federal reimbursements for tax revenues lost by counties in Oregon and California when railroad land grant titles were revested in the United States, 1916-31.
https://www.archives.gov/research/gu...49.html#49.2.3
49.9.24 Records of Oregon land offices
Textual Records (in Seattle): Records of the Portland land office (1905-27) and its predecessor at Oregon City (1854-1905), consisting of letters received by the register and receiver, 1858-1915; Oregon Donation Land Claims land entry papers, 1853- 1900; registers of cash sales and land entries, 1857-1908; Oregon and California Railroad selection lists, 1870-1920; lists of state selections, 1857-1908; and Indian allotment registers for the Grand Ronde Indian Reservation, 1891-1904, and the Siletz Reservation, 1873-1904. Records of the Roseburg land office (1860-1948) and its predecessor at Winchester (1855-60), consisting of letters received by the register and receiver, 1859-1910; Oregon Donation Land Claims land entry papers, 1857- 80; registers of cash sales and land entries, 1863-1908; Oregon and California Railroad selection lists, 1870-1920; register for public domain Indian allotments under Section 4 of the General Allotment Act, 1892-1901; publications, 1942-80; interagency, advisory, or international committee files, 1948-61; and management plans for public lands, 1946-62. Records of The Dalles land office (1875-1948), consisting of correspondence, 1930-48; registers of cash sales and land entries, 1875-1908; lists of state selections, 1875-1908; register for Indian allotments under Section 4 of the General Allotment Act, 1891-1921; and Fort Dalles military reservation town lot lists, 1882-1908. Records of the La Grande land office (1867-1925), consisting of registers of cash sales and land entries, 1867-1908; lists of state selections, 1851-1910; Indian allotment lists for lots on the Umatilla Indian Reservation, 1891-93; and Pendleton town lot lists, 1883-1905. Records of the Lakeview land office (1877-1948) and its predecessor at Linkville (1873-77), consisting of correspondence, 1908-48; registers of cash sales and land entries, 1896-1908; lists of state selections, 1884-1909; Oregon and California Railroad selection lists, 1901-20; and register of public domain Indian allotments for absentee Wyandotte Indians under Section 4 of the General Allotment Act, 1900-7.
https://www.archives.gov/research/gu...9.html#49.7.10

"The State of California" will have the same type of information.
 

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n01d3x said:
This whole thing is so annoying. I've talked to my local BLM, FS and F&G about the various mining rules and regs. BLM's answer was basically that I could do anything unless I was in a "designated protected area", and then I could only use an electric pump because all gas motors are banned in those areas, mining related or not. He did say, "technically you can even dreee.., well I won't go into that." He actually gave me his name and told me if I have any troubles to have whoever I'm dealing with call him. He said he talked to the LEO's in my area about what the regs are and they that "should" all know. My local FS told me that I can't use any "motor driven suction equipment", but that gas\electric pumps and high banking are fine as long as I am not discharging directly back into a water way. The F & G guys were the toughest. No one there had any idea what a high banker or a small water pump was. At first the lady told me I was fine, then she got another guy involved. He said I can't use a pump but recommended I use a bucket to drop water on my sluice, lol. Then they told me they weren't well enough informed and that they would have a F & G guy who was call me back. That guy told me that as long as I wasn't using suction to remove gravels from the stream bed, and that I was using small equipment designed for just a couple of guys that I would be ok to do basically whatever. All of my questions to these guys were in regards to running a highbanker powered by either a gas or electric pump.
Then I read stories on here and am scared to even run my bazooka most of the time, lol!
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Interesting responses you received n01d3x, what area are you located in?

Thanks,
Mike
 

Hoser John said:
Just talked to my tree mans helper yesterday and he was tried twice on charges of running a sluice box. Diverting a stream and introducing foreign substances into the waterway. Over 2 years of multi court hearings. He is going to show me his records as I was amazed that right here in French Gulch the FW is so insane. They brought in a enviromental expert lawyer from Frisco to prosecute the second time?? My god what a insane mess as deemed innocent but time,energy and money gone-John
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Thanks for posting the story. It is now very easy to get into this 'Money gone' trap with a simple "General appearance". May even go on for life,
 

FYI

Norman Russel the guy heading the new program . has taken another position and been replaced.

Probably because he was working with us.
 

Goldwasher said:
FYI

Norman Russel the guy heading the new program . has taken another position and been replaced.

Probably because he was working with us.
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Who does Norman Russel answer too?
Thanks for the information GW.
 

Delnorter, Northern CA. The areas I asked about were in the Nevada\Sierra County area.
 

he answers to his bosses

The SWRCB

though it was a 'voluntary" move
 

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