djui5
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I see. Well if you'd ever like to share this info please let me know. I'd really appreciate it.
Cailf./San Marcos Pass/3 Finger Jack/Lost Padre Mine
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cptbil
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To tell you the truth,
I don't have any or very little, interest in The LDM ...
Espesically since it was made into a wilderness area!
But!
At the same time, when I get to Arizona, this coming March,
I just may decide to go and check on and copy the information
Just in case!
Heck!
I may then fly over the area and see what the info shows!
I don't have any or very little, interest in The LDM ...
Espesically since it was made into a wilderness area!
But!
At the same time, when I get to Arizona, this coming March,
I just may decide to go and check on and copy the information
Just in case!
Heck!
I may then fly over the area and see what the info shows!
Oroblanco
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Greetings,
Cptbil wrote:
Perhaps if your habit of traveling ARMED TO THE TEETH were to be passed up, you might find more potential "partners". Then again, a great many treasure hunters are not looking for any partners, after all remember what Walter Huston said in "Treasure of the Sierra Madre"...
"...then too having a partner can be dangerous, murders always lurking around"
(haha not sure if my memory of the quote is accurate, but you get the gist of it)
Which brings us back to the idea of traveling with a load of guns on you, so to protect against potential murdering partners, which the fact of your being so heavily armed and loaded for bear tending to scare off potential partners etc makes for sort of a vicious circle!
If I were you Cptbil, I would be pleased that you GOT no "takers" since what you might have got is NOT what you had in mind!
After all, do we REALLY know whom we are talking with here on this forum, over the internet? I might be a vicious serial killer, more than happy to kill someone in cold blood in order to obtain the secret to finding a lost treasure - don't you suppose that such a person would 'talk' in the forums just as nicely and gentlemanly as possible, so as to lull away any potential suspicions? I am not pointing fingers here (you already know whom I am talking about, heh heh) but hooking up with potential partners over the internet might be the very last thing you do.... especially if you are offering to take them and show them the way to find a lost treasure! 
Good luck and good hunting to you mi amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek - with or without partners!
your friend,
Oroblanco
PS By the way Cptbil, I would sure be more than happy to accompany you while you take ME up to show me where Purisma Concepcion is, .... heh heh heh
Cptbil wrote:
Perhaps if your habit of traveling ARMED TO THE TEETH were to be passed up, you might find more potential "partners". Then again, a great many treasure hunters are not looking for any partners, after all remember what Walter Huston said in "Treasure of the Sierra Madre"...
"...then too having a partner can be dangerous, murders always lurking around"
(haha not sure if my memory of the quote is accurate, but you get the gist of it)
Which brings us back to the idea of traveling with a load of guns on you, so to protect against potential murdering partners, which the fact of your being so heavily armed and loaded for bear tending to scare off potential partners etc makes for sort of a vicious circle!
If I were you Cptbil, I would be pleased that you GOT no "takers" since what you might have got is NOT what you had in mind! After all, do we REALLY know whom we are talking with here on this forum, over the internet? I might be a vicious serial killer, more than happy to kill someone in cold blood in order to obtain the secret to finding a lost treasure - don't you suppose that such a person would 'talk' in the forums just as nicely and gentlemanly as possible, so as to lull away any potential suspicions? I am not pointing fingers here (you already know whom I am talking about, heh heh
) but hooking up with potential partners over the internet might be the very last thing you do.... especially if you are offering to take them and show them the way to find a lost treasure! Good luck and good hunting to you mi amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek - with or without partners!
your friend,
Oroblanco
PS By the way Cptbil, I would sure be more than happy to accompany you while you take ME up to show me where Purisma Concepcion is, ....
heh heh heh
cptbil
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OroBlanco:
Certainly you are not suggesting that I go into this area unarmed
It is Literally a BATTLEFIELD!![:-\](https://www.treasurenet.com/smilies/undecided.gif "Undecided :-\")
OR!
Are you just against GUNS ?
Certainly you are not suggesting that I go into this area unarmed
It is Literally a BATTLEFIELD!
OR!
Are you just against GUNS ?
cptbil
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OroBlanco:
Do you really think that I would just accept anyone as a "partner" ?
My routine is to contact the person by phone, several times...
Mostly the conversations last hrs!
Then, I have a personal meeting(s) with the person
Oh!
By the way...
"The Armed to the teeth" bit
Is not for protection for Partners..
IT!
Is for protection from...
Drug smugglers, terrorists and other belligerents !
Perhaps,
You are not aware of the conditions along our U.S. Border ?
As I mentioned,
It is a "War Zone" down there !
Go down there unarmed and they'll find your bones "A' bleaching in the sun" !
Do you really think that I would just accept anyone as a "partner" ?
My routine is to contact the person by phone, several times...
Mostly the conversations last hrs!
Then, I have a personal meeting(s) with the person
Oh!
By the way...
"The Armed to the teeth" bit
Is not for protection for Partners..
IT!
Is for protection from...
Drug smugglers, terrorists and other belligerents !
Perhaps,
You are not aware of the conditions along our U.S. Border ?
As I mentioned,
It is a "War Zone" down there !
Go down there unarmed and they'll find your bones "A' bleaching in the sun" !
cptbil
Bronze Member
OroBlanco:
"We" will be taking you up on your acceptance of our offer to go to the Pure Conception Mine !
Doc & I will be leaving around March ..
A definite date has not been set yet!
What is your situation in regards to a time frame?
Are you free to go at any time ?
Or!
Are you restricted to a certain time(s)!
"We" will be taking you up on your acceptance of our offer to go to the Pure Conception Mine !
Doc & I will be leaving around March ..
A definite date has not been set yet!
What is your situation in regards to a time frame?
Are you free to go at any time ?
Or!
Are you restricted to a certain time(s)!
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cptbil:
Still waiting to hear when you are expecting to be in town. I can get away most anytime any day or night. (I'm the manager.) Our weekly meetings are at 2:00 near Shea Blvd and Scottsdale Road and last 2 to 3 hours, other than that, just say when and where.
-dustcap
Still waiting to hear when you are expecting to be in town. I can get away most anytime any day or night. (I'm the manager.) Our weekly meetings are at 2:00 near Shea Blvd and Scottsdale Road and last 2 to 3 hours, other than that, just say when and where.
-dustcap
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Greetings CptBil,
I can assure you that I have absolutely no problems with guns of any kind, however you have mentioned in past threads that you carry several guns at a time, which you must admit probably would raise some fears in the minds of persons who might otherwise consider joining you. Would you feel "safe" to go join up with someone you have never met, who mentioned in passing that he or she is bringing along a half dozen guns? Carrying a gun for self-protection is only good sense, but beyond a single handgun per person, it is my opinion that carrying along more than that is just so much more weight to pack, may even attract un-wanted attention from someone you would rather NOT meet. Remember my friend that guns are a very attractive thing to steal for some folks. Even if I were going to bring along more than a single side-arm, I would NOT tell anyone about it, publicly.
I am pretty familiar with the conditions on the Mexican border, and up until a few months ago lived a hour away from it. (My home prior to moving here to frozen SD was in Cochise county, AZ.) I can tell you that if you should run into drug smugglers, your best bet is to get away from them as quickly as you can, rather than to try to "shoot it out" with them. No treasure will do you any good if you are deceased. You might well win a shootout, but remember that they have killed even Border Patrol agents and might have "reinforcements" close at hand that will help them if shooting breaks out.
I have run into smugglers on several occasions in the Tumacacori hills and in several other places, and am alive to tell about it - unless I am forced into a shootout I am convinced your best bet is to get away and notify the Border Patrol as quickly as possible.
My offer to join you was partially in jest, as a joke after my post about the possibility of a "partner" being a possible 'whacko'. I cannot afford to go to Arizona at the moment, though once our place in Arizona is sold I do plan on moving back there IF we can find the correct property to buy. I have no doubts about your personal honesty and/or safety, and wish you the best of luck in your expedition. If my financial situation improves enough by March, I will sure be in touch with you.
Oroblanco
I can assure you that I have absolutely no problems with guns of any kind, however you have mentioned in past threads that you carry several guns at a time, which you must admit probably would raise some fears in the minds of persons who might otherwise consider joining you. Would you feel "safe" to go join up with someone you have never met, who mentioned in passing that he or she is bringing along a half dozen guns? Carrying a gun for self-protection is only good sense, but beyond a single handgun per person, it is my opinion that carrying along more than that is just so much more weight to pack, may even attract un-wanted attention from someone you would rather NOT meet. Remember my friend that guns are a very attractive thing to steal for some folks. Even if I were going to bring along more than a single side-arm, I would NOT tell anyone about it, publicly.
I am pretty familiar with the conditions on the Mexican border, and up until a few months ago lived a hour away from it. (My home prior to moving here to frozen SD was in Cochise county, AZ.) I can tell you that if you should run into drug smugglers, your best bet is to get away from them as quickly as you can, rather than to try to "shoot it out" with them. No treasure will do you any good if you are deceased. You might well win a shootout, but remember that they have killed even Border Patrol agents and might have "reinforcements" close at hand that will help them if shooting breaks out.
I have run into smugglers on several occasions in the Tumacacori hills and in several other places, and am alive to tell about it - unless I am forced into a shootout I am convinced your best bet is to get away and notify the Border Patrol as quickly as possible.
My offer to join you was partially in jest, as a joke after my post about the possibility of a "partner" being a possible 'whacko'. I cannot afford to go to Arizona at the moment, though once our place in Arizona is sold I do plan on moving back there IF we can find the correct property to buy. I have no doubts about your personal honesty and/or safety, and wish you the best of luck in your expedition. If my financial situation improves enough by March, I will sure be in touch with you.
Oroblanco
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I can assure you there wasn't 30,000 in gold in the Wells Fargo stage robbery
on San Marcus pass(well maybe at today's value) It did contain gold coins of
private mint in San Francisco.A purple emerald broach with three small diamonds.two letters of bank trusts for cattle hides sold.And a wedding presant
to miss delagarra.A neckless made of three green emeralds ten diamonds
The box was made of sycamore wood with two thick iron straps.The lock was not a Wells Fargo lock.Since they had to wait for one to be brought up from los angles.A locale blacksmith made one.the box was painted a light green.With
Wells Fargo in Black letters.The loot was never found.But was said to be at the
junction of two creeks near a large oak tree.An old ranch hand that worked on the kettleman ranch said he found the saddle in red canyon near an oak tree
but in those days the canyons were not marked just the stage routes.
Its all in national forest and they'll arrest you for digging there.
on San Marcus pass(well maybe at today's value) It did contain gold coins of
private mint in San Francisco.A purple emerald broach with three small diamonds.two letters of bank trusts for cattle hides sold.And a wedding presant
to miss delagarra.A neckless made of three green emeralds ten diamonds
The box was made of sycamore wood with two thick iron straps.The lock was not a Wells Fargo lock.Since they had to wait for one to be brought up from los angles.A locale blacksmith made one.the box was painted a light green.With
Wells Fargo in Black letters.The loot was never found.But was said to be at the
junction of two creeks near a large oak tree.An old ranch hand that worked on the kettleman ranch said he found the saddle in red canyon near an oak tree
but in those days the canyons were not marked just the stage routes.
Its all in national forest and they'll arrest you for digging there.
Hello to all!!!
I myself have personally met and spoke with Cptbill for over two years now before making the desicion to "partner up" with him and BUGS.
My dog ARAGORN and I are looking foward to this expedition and from my conversations and interactions with Cptbill,The "trust" factor in his abilities and his character are very high with me or I wouldnt DREAM of putting my BUTT on the line and endure such a trip.
As to the so called "GUN-ISSUE" you can bet your bottom dollar I myself will be armed,maybe not to the teeth but adaquitly enough to protect myself and all the partners that stake out on this endevor with us or are within our "campsite".
Nuff Said!!!!!
I myself have personally met and spoke with Cptbill for over two years now before making the desicion to "partner up" with him and BUGS.
My dog ARAGORN and I are looking foward to this expedition and from my conversations and interactions with Cptbill,The "trust" factor in his abilities and his character are very high with me or I wouldnt DREAM of putting my BUTT on the line and endure such a trip.
As to the so called "GUN-ISSUE" you can bet your bottom dollar I myself will be armed,maybe not to the teeth but adaquitly enough to protect myself and all the partners that stake out on this endevor with us or are within our "campsite".
Nuff Said!!!!!
cptbil
Bronze Member
OROBLANCO:
I, too, have lived along the "Border" !
I have lived in Sierra Vista & in Douglas !
AS you Know ARE!!
In COCHISE COUNTY! TOO!
I have been TH'ing & Prospecting along the Border
FULL TIME!
Since about ' 94 !
I am still here !
Meaning, that I must know how to handle myself & situations!
Kindly .... Remember !
I have 30 years in the Military ....
I , Actually have YEARS! of experience (USMC) in COMBAT !
I am STILL HERE!
Meaning that I must know how to handle myself and Situations!
I was also a Bn Comdr of the Texas State Military Police!
Meaning that ,The Governor and The Regt. Cmdr, must trust in my ability to
Handle myself and situations!
I am not just some dude trying to impress anyone...
I, actually have the experience(s) and ability..
To Stay alive, in despute situations the likes of which Very! VERY!
Few people have,
OR! Will! Ever!, in their life times, EVER! Experience!
I, too, have lived along the "Border" !
I have lived in Sierra Vista & in Douglas !
AS you Know ARE!!
In COCHISE COUNTY! TOO!
I have been TH'ing & Prospecting along the Border
FULL TIME!
Since about ' 94 !
I am still here !
Meaning, that I must know how to handle myself & situations!
Kindly .... Remember !
I have 30 years in the Military ....
I , Actually have YEARS! of experience (USMC) in COMBAT !
I am STILL HERE!
Meaning that I must know how to handle myself and Situations!
I was also a Bn Comdr of the Texas State Military Police!
Meaning that ,The Governor and The Regt. Cmdr, must trust in my ability to
Handle myself and situations!
I am not just some dude trying to impress anyone...
I, actually have the experience(s) and ability..
To Stay alive, in despute situations
the likes of which Very! VERY! Few people have,
OR! Will! Ever!, in their life times, EVER! Experience!
cptbil
Bronze Member
OROBLANCO:
I, took your "reply" to come along with "US!" on a trip as
THE TRUTH!
If, As you say,
It was in "JEST"! "A JOKE!"
Then, you should have noted that fact in the reply!
I took it as
THE TRUTH
So!
NOW!
Which of your "statements" now and in the future are going to be:
THE TRUTH
Or!
In "JEST" A JOKE
("U" can see the problem)
If! You need help in selling "YOUR PLACE"
I have a bother who is an Arizona Real Estate Broker ! (Scottsdale)
If you'd like, I can have him try his hand at selling the property !!
I'd hate to have a "Fellow Arizonian(?)" stuck up there in Snow covered SD!
Just let me know (Info/phone call/etc) and I'll see what he can do !
&
I don't charge for this service !
I, took your "reply" to come along with "US!" on a trip as
THE TRUTH!
If, As you say,
It was in "JEST"! "A JOKE!"
Then, you should have noted that fact in the reply!
I took it as
THE TRUTH
So!
NOW!
Which of your "statements" now and in the future are going to be:
THE TRUTH
Or!
In "JEST" A JOKE
("U" can see the problem)
If! You need help in selling "YOUR PLACE"
I have a bother who is an Arizona Real Estate Broker ! (Scottsdale)
If you'd like, I can have him try his hand at selling the property !!
I'd hate to have a "Fellow Arizonian(?)" stuck up there in Snow covered SD!
Just let me know (Info/phone call/etc) and I'll see what he can do !
&
I don't charge for this service !
Oroblanco
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Thank you for the offer Captain Bill, we already have a realtor handling the sale. It would not be responsible behavior on my part if I were to go off on another treasure hunting trip, before finding a permanent home and getting that set up properly.
I thought you would get the joke right off the bat, since I had just said how we don't really know who we are talking with here, how it could be a murderer etc sort of like that old "camping" joke plus I had added in plenty of "smileys" . However if my luck were to change and I am able to go off on a treasure hunt (I would have to have a permanent home bought and moved in etc) by the time you are going (March) I would sure get in touch with you.
I think my point about the "gun issue" is perhaps missed. To some folks, having more than a single gun for protection might cause them to worry and perhaps decide not to join me. I don't think it is wise NOT to take along a firearm, but bringing more than what is necessary might give the wrong impression to some people.
Good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
I thought you would get the joke right off the bat, since I had just said how we don't really know who we are talking with here, how it could be a murderer etc sort of like that old "camping" joke plus I had added in plenty of "smileys"
. However if my luck were to change and I am able to go off on a treasure hunt (I would have to have a permanent home bought and moved in etc) by the time you are going (March) I would sure get in touch with you.I think my point about the "gun issue" is perhaps missed. To some folks, having more than a single gun for protection might cause them to worry and perhaps decide not to join me. I don't think it is wise NOT to take along a firearm, but bringing more than what is necessary might give the wrong impression to some people.
Good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
cptbil
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ONE CAN NEVER HAVE TOO MANY GUNS! I think that Geo Washington said that ?
OR!
Was It Tho. Jefferson?
Anyway! OUR INDENPDENCE and Continued FREEDOM Is due to one thing..
A man with A RIFLE
And!
As a "Specialist" I have one for each occassion/situation !
Long Range, Sniping, Close up, Night firing, Close quarters, etc. etc...
Oroblanco
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Cptbil wrote:
Hmm almost sounds like you are headed for a fire-fight instead of a treasure hunt! Personally there is only so much iron that I want to be hauling around in the back country - I much prefer that soft YELLOW METAL instead!
Good luck and good hunting Cptbil, if you like to haul around extra firepower that is your choice - I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Roy ~ Oroblanco
Hmm almost sounds like you are headed for a fire-fight instead of a treasure hunt!
Personally there is only so much iron that I want to be hauling around in the back country - I much prefer that soft YELLOW METAL instead! Good luck and good hunting Cptbil, if you like to haul around extra firepower that is your choice - I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Roy ~ Oroblanco
cptbil
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OroBlanco:
I have been along the Border, doing full Time Treasure Hunting and Prospecting
For the past 13 years!
Not the usual week end trips ..
I LIVE OUT THERE !
For MONTHS at a time :P
Now, Who would be more qualified to judge if weapons are needed or NOT?
Now!
Who! Spends more time in one year than most people will in a lifeTime?
Yep!
You're RIGHT!
THAT'S ME!
Now If You have something against the 2d Amendment,
My RIGHT To OWN & Use a weapon anytime I want to!
Please keep all of your anti-American comments to your self!
I like the US Constitution
I don't want to see it changed just because people like you don't like it !
You're Free to move to a Nice Liberal Country where they have banned all gun ownership
Like England...
Oh !
By the way...Violent Crimes there, have risen 30% and are still on the upswing !
A lovely place !
For any Liberal !
I have been along the Border, doing full Time Treasure Hunting and Prospecting
For the past 13 years!
Not the usual week end trips ..
I LIVE OUT THERE !
For MONTHS at a time :P
Now, Who would be more qualified to judge if weapons are needed or NOT?
Now!
Who! Spends more time in one year than most people will in a lifeTime?
Yep!
You're RIGHT!
THAT'S ME!
Now If You have something against the 2d Amendment,
My RIGHT To OWN & Use a weapon anytime I want to!
Please keep all of your anti-American comments to your self!
I like the US Constitution
I don't want to see it changed just because people like you don't like it !
You're Free to move to a Nice Liberal Country where they have banned all gun ownership
Like England...
Oh !
By the way...Violent Crimes there, have risen 30% and are still on the upswing !
A lovely place !
For any Liberal !
Las Vegas Bob
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cptbil said:
I want to know what Oro said that was anti American??
Cubfan64
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cptbil said:OroBlanco:
I have been along the Border, doing full Time Treasure Hunting and Prospecting
For the past 13 years!
Not the usual week end trips ..
I LIVE OUT THERE !
For MONTHS at a time :P
Now, Who would be more qualified to judge if weapons are needed or NOT?
Now!
Who! Spends more time in one year than most people will in a lifeTime?
Yep!
You're RIGHT!
THAT'S ME!
Now If You have something against the 2d Amendment,
My RIGHT To OWN & Use a weapon anytime I want to!
Please keep all of your anti-American comments to your self!
I like the US Constitution
I don't want to see it changed just because people like you don't like it !
You're Free to move to a Nice Liberal Country where they have banned all gun ownership
Like England...
Oh !
By the way...Violent Crimes there, have risen 30% and are still on the upswing !
A lovely place !
For any Liberal !
Uhhh, Cpt Bill - You're either not interpretting Oro's posts well (although they seem pretty clear), or there's some other issues between the two of you...
Oroblanco said:
,
Oro seemed to go out of his way numerous times to imply he has no problems whatsoever with guns or using guns. His only point appeared to be that having too many guns may be more of a pain in the rear than it's worth. Nothing un-American there from what I can tell.
Scattered amongst Oro's comments are quips and jokes always surrounded by plenty of "smiley faces." Perhaps you just aren't catching on to his type of humor - I don't know.
All in all, I don't see anyone speaking out against the Constitution, right to bear arms or being un-American at all - I just see people voicing opinons in a pretty light hearted manner.
I'd rather we quit talking about guns in general and get back to treasure talk anyways
cptbil
Bronze Member
Cubfan64:
That's OK ! With me !
After all, it is mine & Bug's FULL TIME Occupation !
That's OK ! With me !
After all, it is mine & Bug's FULL TIME Occupation !
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