✅ SOLVED Button help please - military? - found in Germany - MAKING PROGRESS!

[Batch]

Good morning all!

I found this earlier in the week on a US Army post here in Germany. Was 6" down on an athletic field. I tend to think it might NOT have originated on the base but was brought in with the "fill-dirt" when the field was constructed. Dia=18.5mm, Thick=2mm and has a sturdy loop shank on the back. Appears to be copper or copper alloy. I have spent a few hours trying to translate the text to no avail. I tried Italian, German, French, Spanish, Latin, (all the usual suspects!), ad nauseum. Part of it has a Cyrillic look to it and I tried that family as well. Notice what appears to be a Maltese cross at the bottom center between the words. The letters (clockwise from the cross) are ?ETBVSDJ:CRHCRIRCK:PICTETTE:ELEGIO? The question marks are because all the other letters seem to be uppercase and these two look like a lowercase "r" and "n" respectively. Maybe a motto that begins and ends with lowercase letters? A possibility I guess.

As for the "crest", under high magnification (see link below) the letters look like "WW" to me not "VV" because of what appears to be an upward indentation in the bottom of each of the letters, but it could go either way. I am still trying to figure out what the symbols are...I even tried a "negative" image but am still puzzled. Also, notice the nice "hatching" pattern of the background.

Any help will be - as always - appreciated. By the way, I have a bet with myself that PBK will name this button in three minutes or less <HUGE smile>.
Happy Hunting to all!

Batch

 

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[Batch]

OK, not so easy but now done. A green check can only be applied from the "Pro" skin (I like to run the "option" skin). At least I am now "In the know".

Happy hunting to all!

Batch

 

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[BuckleBoy]

OK, not so easy but now done. A green check can only be applied from the "Pro" skin (I like to run the "option" skin). At least I am now "In the know".

Happy hunting to all!

Batch

Yes, it is rather complicated to mark a post "SOLVED." I may PM the owners about this. It will help those of us who ID finds to know what is solved and what isn't in this section of the forum.

 

[playedwhatihad]

I'm not sure this is resolved. I have the ALMOST same button I got at an estate sell in the US. It is not copper, but some type of almost a pot metal..the metal shank on the back is not arched like your picture, but is more square. It is very old..same design, and exact wording on the button.But like I said, mine is more silver in color. So, one in Germany, one in Sweden, and now in the US? Fashion button..not so certain..Think I'll continue with the reasearch.

Good morning all!

I found this earlier in the week on a US Army post here in Germany. Was 6" down on an athletic field. I tend to think it might NOT have originated on the base but was brought in with the "fill-dirt" when the field was constructed. Dia=18.5mm, Thick=2mm and has a sturdy loop shank on the back. Appears to be copper or copper alloy. I have spent a few hours trying to translate the text to no avail. I tried Italian, German, French, Spanish, Latin, (all the usual suspects!), ad nauseum. Part of it has a Cyrillic look to it and I tried that family as well. Notice what appears to be a Maltese cross at the bottom center between the words. The letters (clockwise from the cross) are ?ETBVSDJ:CRHCRIRCK:PICTETTE:ELEGIO? The question marks are because all the other letters seem to be uppercase and these two look like a lowercase "r" and "n" respectively. Maybe a motto that begins and ends with lowercase letters? A possibility I guess.

As for the "crest", under high magnification (see link below) the letters look like "WW" to me not "VV" because of what appears to be an upward indentation in the bottom of each of the letters, but it could go either way. I am still trying to figure out what the symbols are...I even tried a "negative" image but am still puzzled. Also, notice the nice "hatching" pattern of the background.

Any help will be - as always - appreciated. By the way, I have a bet with myself that PBK will name this button in three minutes or less <HUGE smile>.
Happy Hunting to all!

Batch

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I'm not sure this is resolved. I have the ALMOST same button I got at an estate sell in the US. It is not copper, but some type of almost a pot metal..the metal shank on the back is not arched like your picture, but is more square. It is very old..same design, and exact wording on the button.But like I said, mine is more silver in color. So, one in Germany, one in Sweden, and now in the US? Fashion button..not so certain..Think I'll continue with the reasearch.

You can post your self shank if you wish. Nickel plated pot metal? I would say mid 20th century.

 

[Aslam]

You can post your self shank if you wish. Nickel plated pot metal? I would say mid 20th century.

Just a note to say a set of four of the buttons was found in my fathers belongings when he passed away in Birmingham England about five years ago.

 

[jes0326]

I have one too

I'm not sure this is resolved. I have the ALMOST same button I got at an estate sell in the US. It is not copper, but some type of almost a pot metal..the metal shank on the back is not arched like your picture, but is more square. It is very old..same design, and exact wording on the button.But like I said, mine is more silver in color. So, one in Germany, one in Sweden, and now in the US? Fashion button..not so certain..Think I'll continue with the reasearch.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The last button posted by jes0326 its a modern self-shank pot metal button plated with something shiny like nickel.. 20th century fashion button. All these types of self shanks are 20th century. It may even be plastic? Thanks for posting. Welcome to the forum.

 

[Shadow999]

Sorry....last pic is not the one I'm referring too...obviously!! But since it's there...I have a few more pics of some others....maybe someone has info on them too
Will try and get BETTER pics tomorrow of the ones with the crests!! Thanks again

 

[coldsky]

The last button posted by jes0326 its a modern self-shank pot metal button plated with something shiny like nickel.. 20th century fashion button. All these types of self shanks are 20th century. It may even be plastic? Thanks for posting. Welcome to the forum.

Found the same button style, seems but a more modern version, it is metal (conducts electricity), has been in a drawer for at least 20 years, from Finland.