Bullet found in Lake? I know bullets, but never seen one of these

[Deerhunter24]

My friend found this bullet while water beepin in an inland lake in SE Michigan. Any one have any idea how old this type of bullet is?

This bullet is 1.25 or 1 1/4 inches long. It is 7/16 inches wide. Looks like a bullet for a muzzleloader, but is twice as long as any I have ever seen. Must be a 600 or 700 grain bullet at least. Appears to have rifling grooves in the bullet. That would make me think that it may not be that old, but I have no idea.

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

hi Doc, my son's digi won't download for some reason but he scanned the lock of the 50 70. for me. it is a good thing since he found that the kiddies had been playig with it and had left rusty firngerprints all over it sheehs, may have to re-blue it, cold process naturally.

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

diving doc
And grow a tree to make a new stock.
Doc
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Nah, stock didn't rust, but kinda hard to put in a scanner. hehehehehheh

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

diving doc
Right, tree don't fit. D
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but baby oaks do


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[gollum]

So, which do you like better, your .44 Magnum wheel gun or the 1911 .45 automatic ?? What brand .45-.70 do you have?
You've got to clue me in, what is a "floated" barrel?
I've heard of floating barrels for rifles, like one that is not bedded to the stock but this is a term I haven't heard before.
Doc

Hey Doc,

How can you seriously ask that question? When we changed from the M1911 to the 92F in the late eighties, I almost cried when I first shot the Beretta. I even had a Smith 626 Stainless, but NOTHING compares to the .45 Colt!

All you have to do is remember the design criteria for the M1911; In the Spanish American War, and the Philippine Insurrection, the soldiers were emptying their .38 revolvers into the enemy, only to have them keep coming. Here's what they wanted for the new sidearm; If a man held his hand up at 50 yards, and was shot in the hand, he should be knocked down by the handshot! The .45ACP will do that! I have personally seen decapitations, and limb amputations with ONE SHOT!

Now about reliability under fire; unless your ammunition is bad, or your weapon is broken, there is no way the wheel gun will not work (no jams, cook offs, magazine problems, etc). In carrying the .45 into combat in many different weather situations over 6 years, I have NEVER had one malfunction! They were so worn and used, when you shook them, they sounded like a metal bucket of bolts shaking. SEVEN safety features!

Mike

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

[=gollum]

You've got to clue me in, what is a "floated" barrel?
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floating, floated, float, are interchangeable depending upon the time frame reference intended.
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NOTHING compares to the .45 Colt!
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in terms of accuracy or reliability?
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All you have to do is remember the design criteria for the M1911; In the Spanish American War, and the Philippine Insurrection, the soldiers were emptying their .38 revolvers into the enemy, only to have them keep coming. Here's what they wanted for the new sidearm;
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That was the 38 so called long colt, underpowered compared to todays 38 spec.
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If a man held his hand up at 50 yards, and was shot in the hand, he should be knocked down by the handshot! The .45ACP will do that! I have personally seen decapitations, and limb amputations with ONE SHOT!
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See attachment
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Now about reliability under fire; unless your ammunition is bad, or your weapon is broken, there is no way the wheel gun will not work (no jams, cook offs, magazine problems, etc).
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I agree, I am strictly a wheel guy myself.
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In carrying the .45 into combat in many different weather situations over 6 years, I have NEVER had one malfunction! They were so worn and used, when you shook them, they sounded like a metal bucket of bolts shaking. SEVEN safety features!*
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So true, but accuracy suffers for it. But then they weren't designed for long range, but close in work, say 10 15 meters, under unbelievably dirty conditions, mud, rain, sand etc.etc.. My fav. wheel gun prob would not function reliably under the same conditions.
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In reading the attachment pp2, pay attention to the Index regarding the Strasbourg test. This is how long it took goats to drop after being hit in the lung areas, equivalent to human reactions. I.E. how long he would be aggressive after being shot. The 45 acp gave him almost 14 secs to continue cutting or whatever on you before dropping. not nice, and this is for calm reactions, not bolstered by drugs or rage.

sorry if this doesn't jive with your fav tv or movie heros shooting the baddies hehehe.

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI, additional bit of thought.

If it takes a 45 ACP FMJ almost 14 sec to finally drop a calm goat with one shot, how comfortable would you feel with a charging Grizzly, Lion, Leopard or any other dangerous game, including a man that is crazd with drugs, fear, or rage wielding a knife with bad intentions on your person?.. Just very slowly count to 14 and understand that this the time that he has to work on you with his knife or whatever after being shot with one bullet...

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[peg legged]

Other than MAN I hever did much hunting of just animals. Although I did my share.
I went into the military in 1952 and became a Sniper in 1953 and went to Korea the same year. It seems that I was very good at what I was trained to do. I recall that I used to drill a small hole in the projectile and fill the hole with mercury. I could bring down a 6" dia tree with one hit. I could also lift a 50 gallon drum of water off the ground. Did a lot of PLINCKING . I also recall at the family reunions we used to use a 22 and strike matches on fence post before dinner. I was 7 at the time.
PEG Leg

 

[gollum]

Other than MAN I hever did much hunting of just animals. Although I did my share.
I went into the military in 1952 and became a Sniper in 1953 and went to Korea the same year. It seems that I was very good at what I was trained to do. I recall that I used to drill a small hole in the projectile and fill the hole with mercury. I could bring down a 6" dia tree with one hit. I could also lift a 50 gallon drum of water off the ground. Did a lot of PLINCKING . I also recall at the family reunions we used to use a 22 and strike matches on fence post before dinner. I was 7 at the time.
PEG Leg

Actually, what the Mercury was for (against the Geneva Convention) was to poison whoever it hits. Get what seems like a light wound, and they die in a couple of days. You also have to cover the hole with candle wax.

How About:
Drilling a hole and filling the slug tip with white phosphorous match heads? Definately causes the slug to do crazy things when it hits the body.

or

Before all the fancy Aluminum Eagle Claw and Hydra Shock Rounds (my two favs), there was always the old cutting a cross in the tip.

Lots of old home made ways to make the slug expand upon entrance.

Mike