Bronze objects from a C-47 crash site

[Matteo La Boccia]

These came from a C-47 crash site. The aircraft have a platoon of soldiers. 1944 year of crash. Some idea about these personal items?

Appear to read OR....

 

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[duggap]

The first item looks like it is off a sword or dagger.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

Second one looks like a money clip.

The first piece, the eagle, is from a WW2 Italian Facist Party dagger, possibly someones souvenir that was on the plane.

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

I have understand that bronze eagle head is part of a sword

This is from USA civil war



In past were common



Here is a good description
http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2010/09/weapons-and-equipment-of-early-american.html

 

[NOLA_Ken]

The swords you're talking about would not have been carried by American troops in WW2. If you look at the pic I posted, you'll see it's pretty much an exact match, allowing for fire damage and being in the ground. Given it's location, an Italian dagger of the period is far more likely than any other explanation, and given American soldiers penchant for picking up souvenirs, it's not the least bit surprising to me that it would be there.

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

The swords you're talking about would not have been carried by American troops in WW2. If you look at the pic I posted, you'll see it's pretty much an exact match, allowing for fire damage and being in the ground. Given it's location, an Italian dagger of the period is far more likely than any other explanation, and given American soldiers penchant for picking up souvenirs, it's not the least bit surprising to me that it would be there.

Thanks. Looking better I'm totally agree with you!!!!
Do you have some idea about dagger of photo you post? I never seen it to fascist army...

 

[NOLA_Ken]

The best I can find on a quick search is that it was a youth leaders dagger, and that they are somewhat rare. I'll try to get in touch with a friend and see what info he has to share.

 

[Rmeav8r]

1994 or 1949? Not too many C-47's flying in 1994, and with a WW2 dagger.....just wondering.

 

[Retired Sarge]

Most likely 1949, you have to remember that in Europe they say their numbers different. For example in German 1949 would be neunzehn hundert neun und vierzig, translated as nineteen hundred nine and forty. Whether he was using translator software or did it on his own the fact that it can be understood speaks for itself. How many Americans can read. write, and speak a second language?

Mike
USAF Retired

 

[bradyboy]

is it legal to have artifacts from a crash site
if so, why would you want to keep possesion of said items, items would belong to family
Brady

 

[allan]

Read the posts from this thread starter and it will explain everything

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Good ID Nola Ken

Are you still digging that Salerno crash site?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,217664.msg1588139.html#msg1588139

I believe he is referring to 1944. Must be a typo.

Did you ever find someone to help you return that GIs dog tag? http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,167405.msg1219616.html#msg1219616

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

is it legal to have artifacts from a crash site
if so, why would you want to keep possesion of said items, items would belong to family
Brady

I doubt its illegal. How can he return items with no identifying markings?

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

Thanks. It is legal in our country. The year is 1944.
Our reasons to do hard work and to do a lot of trip on high mountains is to build histories of these aircraft and of their crew to give informations to their relatives and when is possible some objects of their beloved ones.
Please read one of history we can build here: http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/raf1944/2/geldardcornelius.html
http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/raf1944/2/geldardcornelius.html

Any informations about dagger and other objects will be alway welcome!

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

Good ID Nola Ken

Are you still digging that Salerno crash site?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,217664.msg1588139.html#msg1588139

I believe he is referring to 1944. Must be a typo.

Did you ever find someone to help you return that GIs dog tag? http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,167405.msg1219616.html#msg1219616

Thanks. Yes we are digginf the crash site you quoted but this if from a C-47. The other is a B-17.

No, we not find any relatives of that soldier at today.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Did you ever find someone to help you return that GIs dog tag? http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,167405.msg1219616.html#msg1219616

Thanks. Yes we are digginf the crash site you quoted but this if from a C-47. The other is a B-17.

No, we not find any relatives of that soldier at today.

Im reposting it here maybe someone can help you.

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

Did you ever find someone to help you return that GIs dog tag? http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,167405.msg1219616.html#msg1219616

Thanks. Yes we are digginf the crash site you quoted but this if from a C-47. The other is a B-17.

No, we not find any relatives of that soldier at today.

Im reposting it here maybe someone can help you.

To correct my previous post (I believe you are asking about Vegso tag). I want ingorm you that about Gray tag we find the son but he is not interested to have father tag........
I also asked him to send me a photo of his father to can expoes it with his tag in our small museum but he never aswer me.....

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

To correct my previous post (I believe you are asking about Vegso tag). I want ingorm you that about Gray tag we find the son but he is not interested to have father tag........
I also asked him to send me a photo of his father to can expoes it with his tag in our small museum but he never aswer me.....

Heres the Vegso story. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,351812.0.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Second one looks like a money clip.

 

[Noodle]

What country are we talking about here where the wreckage is?