Black glass bottle found SCUBA diving today

[Chad1978]

Any thoughts on when this bottle was made? contents? worth? Found ti diving off Florida coast today.

 

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[diggummup]

I'd say mid 1800's, wine bottle more than likely.

 

[A2coins]

That is amazing I would love to scuba dive thats a whole new world I read alot about Mel
Fisher and and the Wells finding those galleons. I cant help with the bottle but that is so freakin awesome,some day I want to do that first gotta learn of all the critters down there first.sorry to be off subject. That is a Great Find Good Job!!!!!

 

[diggummup]

Is that a horizontal seam at the top of the body/base of the shoulder? Are there vertical seams in the shoulder and neck? Photos aren't too detailed. I see you have a CZ-20, did you detect the area?

 

[releventchair]

Ale bottle?

 

[Chad1978]

yes, this bottle has horizontal seams at top of body and base of shoulder. Does that help in IDing period of bottle? 1800's? thanks in advance for your help, it is much appreciated!

 

[Chad1978]

I did not find this bottle metal detecting. When I dive the bottles are usually jammed in between corals or rock ledges so I spot them with my eye. It is actually illegal to metal detect off Florida's coast without permission from the State of Florida
I ahve found some cool things with my metal detector on land though - civil war coat button, 1905 indian head pennies, silver coins....etc.

 

[releventchair]

It can hint of a three piece mold.
https://www.antiquebottles-glass.com/learn/determining-the-age-of-antique-bottles/

 

[diggummup]

It is actually illegal to metal detect off Florida's coast without permission from the State of Florida

Your an attorney, please show me the law where this is so. As far as I know the only place illegal to detect are national parks, wildlife sanctuaries and state parks (without Ranger permission). With the exception of the treasure coast lease sites of course. Since when is it illegal to metal detect off Florida's coast without permission from the State of Florida?

 

[ARC]

Your an attorney, please show me the law where this is so. As far as I know the only place illegal to detect are national parks, wildlife sanctuaries and state parks (without Ranger permission). With the exception of the treasure coast lease sites off course. Since when is it illegal to metal detect off Florida's coast without permission from the State of Florida?

Dig... according to the Submerged Lands Act...
As for metal detecting in the water, all lands that are below the mean high water line are considered state sovereignty submerged lands and, while it is not against the law to possess a metal detector in the water, it IS against the law to disturb the bottom sediments. So, if something is detected, it would be illegal to dig for it.

 

[ARC]

So in other words...
If you jump on your boat and head out ... jump in with your detector and detect... no problem.
You just "technically" and according to law... cannot disturb the bottom.
AKA,,, you cannot dig / remove / items without expressed written permission.

 

[ARC]

And as far as parks etc are concerned...

Detecting on state lands is different and the removal of historical objects from state lands is prohibited. Some coastal state parks do not allow metal detecting at all, some will allow it between the shoreward toe of the dunes and the mean high water line, but only for modern objects. Some state parks will only allow detecting for personal items that are specified as lost in a particular area. If counties or cities lease coastal lands from the state, they are required to abide by state laws. Every state park will have an entry station with a ranger on duty, so always ask first.

 

[diggummup]

Dig... according to the Submerged Lands Act...
As for metal detecting in the water, all lands that are below the mean high water line are considered state sovereignty submerged lands and, while it is not against the law to possess a metal detector in the water, it IS against the law to disturb the bottom sediments. So, if something is detected, it would be illegal to dig for it.

So every metal detectorist that is detecting off the beach be it wading or snorkeling is breaking the law?

 

[ARC]

This is where the "line" is blurred...
For we all know that beach shallow waters are detected everyday all over.
But "technically" according to the "wording"... yes.

This has been a weird thing for years.
It seems that the concern lies with the ability to enforce a law when needed.
And to be able to "lay claim" to anything found that is deemed "historical".
Like a blanket law.

They covered all bases. heh

 

[ARC]

Beaches are of no concern to the state it seems... UNLESS it is in a State or National park.

National Parks NEVER allow detecting it seems ... not here anyway.
State parks are... some do some don't... and the ones that do... may are may not allow it in SOME areas... some parks don't care where you detect.
Again...
All revolving around "historical" significance.

 

[ARC]

If you ever go to a place that does not allow detecting at all.
There are things there...
That is why they do not want you to dig or disturb the grounds.

 

[ARC]

SO...
Ever do research on areas using google maps etc... ?
Look for green on a map.
These are the "off limit" areas generally...
And when going to or near these areas / beaches you MUST make sure that you are within the rules before breaking out the detector.
And may be told not to detect and to remove the detector from the property.

 

[ARC]

A good example is Egmont...
Step foot on that beach with a detector and in minutes you will be spotted and cops / rangers will be on you like flies to you know what.

They will tell you to get back on the boat and leave... OR to put the detectors on your boat whilst on the island.
And they are not "happy"... or should I say... civil.
They will meet you with a stern and one and only chance to get the detector immediately off the sand.
IF you argue...
Your in cuffs.

 

[ARC]

Florida particularly is one State that is very serious about protection of its historical resources.

IF you dive... and detect... you cannot dig.
According to the wording within the state law.

SO... detect away... just don't disturb the bottom. heh

 

[DCMatt]

AARC said:

it IS against the law to disturb the bottom sediments. So, if something is detected, it would be illegal to dig for it.

That's sorta like the law in Virginia (state & local use the same language). You can detect all you want but by law you cannot disturb "artifacts". Artifacts are defined by the statute as any evidence of human habitation.

So... technically speaking, I can't even pick up a cigarette butt or a soda can on Virginia public property.

DCMatt