BIG win for Southern California Miners!!!

[Clay Diggins]

I'm surprised the prospectors in Southern California haven't picked up on this.

The Obama administration went on a public land closure spree just after Christmas 2016. The most disturbing of those withdrawals was the withdrawal of the last scattered bits of public land not already under withdrawals for wilderness, military, National parks, wild and scenic sewers, or study areas in the Southern California Conservation Area.

This particular December 28, 2016 withdrawal was literally the last gasp for public lands open to location in the desert conservation area. 1,337,904 (1.3 million) acres were closed in dozens of small areas.

These little bits of land were withdrawn from mining only "to protect nationally significant landscapes with outstanding cultural, biological, and scientific values". Literally some of these areas were parking lots (scientific values?). Virtually all of the area was desert scrub land with the usual 4WD tracks (nationally significant landscape?) and trashy drinking spots (outstanding cultural value?). Only mining was restricted. This withdrawal was the most disheartening and downright spiteful of all the withdrawals made just before the end of Obama's presidency.

The withdrawal is now being cancelled. The 1,337,904 acres will be open to location again on 10 a.m. on March 9, 2018.

It's still out there - go get u sum!

Heavy Pans

 

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[Nitric]

Yes...I'm glad to see the aquatic forest is up to the temperature of Mars. If only we could socialize ginseng, the segregation of the Monarch Butterfly would benefit the mating rituals of fireflies.
In the pursuits of minor league players. Coaches passed on the valid public land horseshoes. Steel toes are no longer part of the administration rights. Speedos are only valid in valid areas, hopefully closed to sand fleas.



Glad to see land is opening back up!!!

 

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[Goldwasher]

fricken robot B.S.

 

[Clay Diggins]

Sorry Clay, when one posts and posts with no intelligence, context, or relevance, I can ignore it only so long...

Wow! You must be having a difficult time with the internet. Most of this stuff has no "intelligence, context, or relevance". How bout those Kardashians? Do you think Todd will run for President?

When I see a deranged stray dog peeing on everybody's pant legs and attacking their pets the last thing I think of is feeding him.

Obviously we have different ideas about these things. I can, and do, ignore deranged stray dogs. In fact there is a tool here to help me never even see the deranged stray dogs, it's called the "ignore" button.

In any case it's your dog now. Good luck with that.

Heavy Pans

 

[Assembler]

Thank you everyone for your increased interest and posts.


Anyone care to point out the orderly administration of the public lands here?

For a period until December 28, 2018, the lands described in this notice will be segregated from location and entry under the United States mining laws, subject to valid existing rights, unless the application/proposal is denied or canceled or the proposed withdrawal is approved prior to that date. Licenses, permits, cooperative agreements, or other discretionary land use authorizations may be allowed during the temporary segregative period, but only with approval of the authorized officer of the BLM.

 

[russau]

Mass mailings and form letter's that are sent in by wacoenviromentalterriorist's are only counted as 1 on the official count ! Hand written letter's that have atleast 1 point of law are also counted as 1 for each letter ! So it's best to keep your letter's to our socalled "representative" or our gubermint short and sweet and just write another letter with more points of law . That way each letter you send in wipes out 1000's of Waco letters!

 

[Goldwasher]

when algorithms learn to .....lol

 

[RobertF]

Maybe we can get this back on track... BLM meetings around this have been announced.

"I'm sharing this from another group. It's important that miners attend these meetings to ensure our voice is heard.

If we don't show up, they'll only hear from the environmentalists.

The BLM will be conducting public meetings at several locations around southern California starting Monday the 26th of February. This is concerning the BLMs cancellation of the mining withdraw and some other amendments within the DRECP (Desert Renewable Energy Conservation Plan). The DRECP covers 10.8 million acers of BLM managed land within Southern California. Originally, under the Obama administration this land was to be withdrawn from any kind of mining, off road travel and public recreation. However, studies by the BLM (forced upon them be the Trump administration) has shown that public recreation including independent mining creates no significant impact hence the cancellation of the land withdraw. But, by law there must be public meetings concerning this. There has been a 45-day comment period that opened on 02 Feb and goes through 22 March. Now, it is very important that as many outdoor enthusiast, independent miners, and off roaders as possible attend one of these meetings and make written comments concerning this. You damned well better believe the environmentalists will be there voicing their opposition to letting you continue to enjoy your public lands.
So, as you can see it is important that you attend the meetings and make your written comments. It would so great if we could take up every seat in the place and show there is more of the public wanting to enjoy your public lands than people wanting to put a stop to it. If you cannot make it for important reasons…it is understandable. If you can’t make it because you don’t want to be bothered or someone else will do it or I don’t give a darn. Then go join one of the environmental groups because by not voicing your concerns on being able to enjoy your public lands, you are helping them close it down.
Information and locations of these meeting are below.

Monday, February 26, 2018
5pm – 7pm
Lone Pine Film History Museum
701 S Main St, Lone Pine, CA 93545

Tuesday, February 27, 2018
5pm – 7pm
Kerr-McGee Community Center
100 W. California Ave, Ridgecrest, CA 93555

Wednesday, February 28, 2018
5pm – 7pm
Courtyard Marriott
9619 Mariposa Rd. Hesperia, CA 92345

Thursday, March 1, 2018
6pm – 8pm
Joshua Tree Community Center
6171 Sunburst Ave, Joshua Tree, CA 92252

Friday, March 2, 2018
3pm – 5pm
Fairfield Inn & Suites
503 E Danenberg Dr, El Centro, CA 92243

Monday, March 5, 2018
1pm – 3pm
DoubleTree Hotel
2001 Point West Way, Sacramento, CA 95815

Tuesday, March 6, 2018
5pm – 7pm
Bakersfield Field Office
3801 Pegasus Drive, Bakersfield, CA 93308

Wednesday, March 7, 2018
5pm – 7pm
UC Riverside, Palm Desert Center, Auditorium
75080 Frank Sinatra Dr., Palm Desert, CA 92211"

 

[Bejay]

Showing up in numbers has merit but holding the BLM to be accountable is the nail in their coffin!
The method that has been shown to work is to hold the agencies to the letter of the law and their own CFRs. The "greenies" have been doing it for years and 90% of the time the USFS and BLM fail to adhere to their own set of complex guidelines/rules.....and the 9th Circuit Court nails them on it constantly. "Coordination" is a key instrument to utilize. The Jefferson Mining District web page has info on this subject titled "HOW TO STOP A BAD LAND MANAGEMENT PLAN BEFORE IT AFFECTS YOU!".

Bejay

 

[Johnnybravo300]

The sole reason they exist is to limit access and regulate your land and they've been giving that power. They can change the rules daily and have unlimited funds to drag this out for years while you finance their side the entire time.
It's a sick system that guarantees you'll lose and go broke at the same time.

Only a billionaire can afford to play that game.

 

[Bejay]

Not so true. Holding the agencies to follow their own mandated process is not that hard to do. It is all about the process. And need not enter into the court system. The agencies have been taken to court so often they run scared when their obvious failures are pointed out to them. Case in point was the TMP (USFS Travel Management Plan) for Baker County Oregon. I believe it actually cost the Dist Ranger her job.....(the failure to follow proper procedure/guidelines). The USFS spent 10 years putting together their TMP plan and upon notifying the public that implementation was going to start the public and politicians that represented them raised such a fuss that the plan was tabled and had to begin the planning stage again....because they failed to "Coordinate" with other Gov agencies. Coordination is a very complex issue.

Going to a BLM or USFS meeting is fine and dandy but one must be armed with the proper "arguments" to send the agency back to the drawing board. What you want to do is keep the agency in the planning stage....it cost them money to PLAN.

Bejay

 

[Assembler]

Not so true. Holding the agencies to follow their own mandated process is not that hard to do. It is all about the process. And need not enter into the court system. The agencies have been taken to court so often they run scared when their obvious failures are pointed out to them. Case in point was the TMP (USFS Travel Management Plan) for Baker County Oregon. I believe it actually cost the Dist Ranger her job.....(the failure to follow proper procedure/guidelines). The USFS spent 10 years putting together their TMP plan and upon notifying the public that implementation was going to start the public and politicians that represented them raised such a fuss that the plan was tabled and had to begin the planning stage again....because they failed to "Coordinate" with other Gov agencies. Coordination is a very complex issue.

Going to a BLM or USFS meeting is fine and dandy but one must be armed with the proper "arguments" to send the agency back to the drawing board. What you want to do is keep the agency in the planning stage....it cost them money to PLAN.

Bejay

Yes the proper "Arguments" can be the key. Thanks for your points Bejay.

 

[spillercanyon]

As bad as this appears this "Withdrawal of the last scattered bits of public land" was only to be "Temporarily segregates the lands from location and entry under the United States mining laws for up to two years and provides the public with an opportunity to comment on the proposed withdrawal".

"Temporarily", we're not still falling for that one are we? Still waiting for the temporary ban on dredging here in Cali to end.

 

[Assembler]

"Temporarily", we're not still falling for that one are we? Still waiting for the temporary ban on dredging here in Cali to end.

This one will agree up to the point of what is being "Located" and this is the key of the "Temporarily segregates the lands". The fact of open "Mineral entry" is still there and can not be removed.
Most people may never face this and should by all means wait for the temporary ban on dredging to end.
Thank you for your question spillercanyon.

"Resurveys"
First, the adequate protection of existing rights acquired under the original survey in the matter of their location on the earth's surface, and, second, the proper marking of the boundaries of the remaining public lands.


"Mine Surveys"
The class of surveys in connection with the leasing of mineral lands, particularly coal lands, where the field work usually consists of a dependent resurvey and partial subdivision of the section of sections involved, a traverse of the main entries of the mine, with ties to the portals and improvements, and the marking of the section and subdivision-of-sections lines within the mine which divide private and public lands.

Location, Location, Location.......LOL.

 

[Bejay]

Not so true. Holding the agencies to follow their own mandated process is not that hard to do. It is all about the process. And need not enter into the court system. The agencies have been taken to court so often they run scared when their obvious failures are pointed out to them. Case in point was the TMP (USFS Travel Management Plan) for Baker County Oregon. I believe it actually cost the Dist Ranger her job.....(the failure to follow proper procedure/guidelines). The USFS spent 10 years putting together their TMP plan and upon notifying the public that implementation was going to start the public and politicians that represented them raised such a fuss that the plan was tabled and had to begin the planning stage again....because they failed to "Coordinate" with other Gov agencies. Coordination is a very complex issue.

Going to a BLM or USFS meeting is fine and dandy but one must be armed with the proper "arguments" to send the agency back to the drawing board. What you want to do is keep the agency in the planning stage....it cost them money to PLAN.

Bejay

Well the USFS finally won one in the 9th: After five years of litigation, the Ninth Circuit found the Forest Service did enough paperwork to thin overgrown stands and restore aspen habitat. The enviros lost. I will have to root for the USFS on this one.

Bejay

 

[Assembler]

Well the USFS finally won one in the 9th: After five years of litigation, the Ninth Circuit found the Forest Service did enough paperwork to thin overgrown stands and restore aspen habitat. The enviros lost. I will have to root for the USFS on this one.

Bejay

Great please keep us all updated on any details. Thanks.
There has been a lot of bad fires last Summer - Fall may have something to do with proper thinning of trees and maybe brush.