Been cleaning a LC I found in Oct 28th 2013, Help?

[treblehunter]

These are the pix from the day I found it, it was found with my friend Vino in a church in Old Philadelphia. My son told me he saw 1810 on the date, when I seen the shape the coin was in I got pretty aggressive around the date figuring it was toast and I could not hurt something that was toast. We figured it was a Classic Head Cent 1810. It has been soaking in olive oil since then and yesterday I took it out and started to toothpic it a little. I came to the conclusion that it was covered by some kind of crud and started to uncover it. I now know it is a Coronet Cent and believe the date is 1820, the first two pix are outside light on a blue background. The next pix are on a red background from inside light.






The weird part is if you look at the last two pix, the reverse side first. If you draw an imaginary line from 9:00 to 3:00 then flip the coin over, the obverse side does not line up, it goes more like 10:00 to 4:00
Here is a link to the 1820 Coronet Cent, there are 12 varieties, It could I guess be a 1820/19, there are four varieties of this one.
All the photos I have looked at the obverse shows it lined up like this
1820 1C MS Numismatic Guide | Coronet Cents Coin Collecting Guide | NGC Coin Explorer
1820/19 1C MS Collector Coins | Coronet Cents Coin Details | NGC Coin Explorer

Any thoughts as to this "misalignment" I really don't know, I'm thinking maybe taking it up to a nearby coin dealer. What do you think guys?
Thanks for looking, HH
Brad

 

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[creade]

Weird,I would take it to a dealer to check out. Regardless,it cleaned up great

 

[treblehunter]

Just might do that. Thanks creade.

 

[matt092079]

I have quite a few that are very "off" like that. Not sure what that means.

 

[terpfan]

Very nice coin Brad, congrats! Your large cent is a good example of how much detail be hidden under a layer of crud. I think we often look at a coin like the one in your first photo and believe it is hopelessly toasted. Not always so! I think you used the correct cleaning approach with the olive oil. With a little restraint and patience, that gummy layer can be toothpicked off nicely. BTW the patina layer on your coin looks pretty fragile, and if it were mine I would be happy to leave it green.

 

[DigIron2]

nice save. you got some good detail out of it.them dates can be tricky,some times it helps me see the date by examining it while a coin is wet,with a certain gleem of light.of course i am half blind

 

[treblehunter]

I have quite a few that are very "off" like that. Not sure what that means.

I hope to find out?

Very nice coin Brad, congrats! Your large cent is a good example of how much detail be hidden under a layer of crud. I think we often look at a coin like the one in your first photo and believe it is hopelessly toasted. Not always so! I think you used the correct cleaning approach with the olive oil. With a little restraint and patience, that gummy layer can be toothpicked off nicely. BTW the patina layer on your coin looks pretty fragile, and if it were mine I would be happy to leave it green.

Thank you, I also like the green, I sure do hope I can find more of them.

nice save. you got some good detail out of it.them dates can be tricky,some times it helps me see the date by examining it while a coin is wet,with a certain gleem of light.of course i am half blind

Thank you, I'm the same way, part of the reason I like the olive oil.

 

[NHBandit]

With large cents it's fairly common for the "clocking" to be off from front to back. I don't think it adds much value. Good save.

 

[Gaspipe]

Nice clean up from where you started. As far as value to a coin collector most of the largies we dig arent worth a lot ( if anything) to them ,many times because the condition is so poor. And while yours cleaned up well , from a condition perspective it isnt very good. Remember quality control back then wasn't what it is now and while over dates and the like add value on occasion rotations from obverse to reverse are almost common place . Having said that to me they are the neatest coin to dig nice work.

 

[treblehunter]

Nice clean up from where you started. As far as value to a coin collector most of the largies we dig arent worth a lot ( if anything) to them ,many times because the condition is so poor. And while yours cleaned up well , from a condition perspective it isnt very good. Remember quality control back then wasn't what it is now and while over dates and the like add value on occasion rotations from obverse to reverse are almost common place . Having said that to me they are the neatest coin to dig nice work.

Thanks, for me (I have only found 5 LC) finding them is my biggest thrill along with buttons and relics. Anything that I can age back to 1700's, early 1800's is my favorite. If someday I get lucky and can find a rare date or something of real value then that would be like icing on the cake. The majority of my research and hunting is for places where I might find this kind of stuff. Otherwise if I wanted to find something of real value I would be hunting the beaches exclusively.

With large cents it's fairly common for the "clocking" to be off from front to back. I don't think it adds much value. Good save.

Thank you.

 

[sweetrelease]

sweet coin brad.it cleaned up nicely. lets hope all this snow and cold weather is over soon. I have cabin fever bad..had a dream the other night that I found a cache in the pine barrens.lol I'm going a little crazy being stuck inside.

 

[treblehunter]

sweet coin brad.it cleaned up nicely. lets hope all this snow and cold weather is over soon. I have cabin fever bad..had a dream the other night that I found a cache in the pine barrens.lol I'm going a little crazy being stuck inside.

I was out in that spot my buddy owns with the glass probe and my detector yesterday. I can't sit in the house. There was about 2 inches of snow. I went to one of the other "piles" of glass and was probing around. I was feeling glass about three foot down, so I dug a test hole (I was dragging a shovel and probe in one hand, detector in other) there is bottles deeper there.

 

[creade]

Any coin pre-1900 is a treasure for me.Just something about holding that history in your hand. I laugh when I see posts about "another large cent or indian".Each one to me is special and holds value.And that goes any relic.I would rather dig 1 large cent than 10 bucks in clad

 

[sweetrelease]

I was out in that spot my buddy owns with the glass probe and my detector yesterday. I can't sit in the house. There was about 2 inches of snow. I went to one of the other "piles" of glass and was probing around. I was feeling glass about three foot down, so I dug a test hole (I was dragging a shovel and probe in one hand, detector in other) there is bottles deeper there.

sweet... you may find some great bottles. farm dumps may be all household and meds or sodas and whiskey bottles you never know. I'd say there are some old bitters in there ;-) . let me know what you find .

 

[testing123]

Nice cleaning job! Minor die rotation is common on early US coins and doesn't really command any premium. Now if it was rotated 180 degrees it might be worth taking to a dealer.

 

[treblehunter]

Thanks guys for your replies.

 

[Stripeythecrab]

What a great clean up! I could hardly believe it was the same coin!

 

[DigIron2]

Nice clean up from where you started. As far as value to a coin collector most of the largies we dig arent worth a lot ( if anything) to them ,many times because the condition is so poor. And while yours cleaned up well , from a condition perspective it isnt very good. Remember quality control back then wasn't what it is now and while over dates and the like add value on occasion rotations from obverse to reverse are almost common place . Having said that to me they are the neatest coin to dig nice work.

Gotta love digging large cents,having one and digging one are too different things, for any coin in my opinion.I would say the coin is worth every bit of 20$. I would like to have it in my collection.

 

[treblehunter]

What a great clean up! I could hardly believe it was the same coin!

Thanks Stripey, I loved that it cleaned up like that, it really made my day.
I really like that handle of yours, always makes me think of SpongeBob. I used to watch SpongeBob with my son when he was 6 on to about 9, we used to laugh so hard. He is now 20 I'll have to get him to come over and watch a few shows for old sake. The guys at work used to call me Patrick!

 

[Ahab8]

Hey th, My very first old coin was an 1820 LC. Never forget that one :-) Good job on the clean up. I have the 3 that I found this winter in olive oil right now. I was only able to get out a couple days this winter here in Maine and found. 3 LCs. One Draped Bust. So I'm hoping they clean up well. It's such a great feeling seeing that old green disc in the hole. It's a feeling I will never get tired of. Wish you all the best this year buddy, Abe