Bedrock and Gold: The mysteries . . .

Lanny in AB

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Apr 2, 2003
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Various Minelabs(5000, 2100, X-Terra 705, Equinox 800, Gold Monster), Falcon MD20, Tesoro Sand Shark, Gold Bug Pro, Makro Gold Racer.
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Do you love to chase the gold? Please join me--lots of gold hunting tips, stories of finds (successful and not), and prospecting poetry.

Nugget in the bedrock tip:

I had a visit with a mining buddy this past weekend, and he told me of an epic battle to get a nugget out of the bedrock, and of what he learned from the experience. I thought some of you might like to learn from his mistake.

While out detecting one day, he came across a large sheet of bare bedrock. The bedrock was exposed because the area had been blasted off with a water cannon (a monitor), by the old-timers! It was not fractured bedrock, in fact it was totally smooth.

He was not optimistic at all of the prospects of a nugget. But, for some reason (we've all been there) he decided to swing his detector over that bedrock. After a long time, just as he was about to give up on his crazy hunch, he got a signal, right out of that smooth bedrock.

There was no crevice, no sign of a crevice, nada! So, he had to go all the way back to camp to get a small sledge and a chisel. The signal in the rock intrigued him, but he still wasn't overly optimistic. For those of you that have chased signals in a similar situation, sometimes there's a patch of hot mineralization in the bedrock that sounds off, but this spot, according to him, was sharp and clear right in the middle of the signal, not just a general increase of the threshold like you get when you pass over a hot spot in the bedrock.

Anyway, he made it back to the spot and started to chisel his way into the bedrock. If any of you have tried this, it's an awful job, and you usually wind up with cut knuckles--at the least! Regardless, he kept fighting his way down, busting out chunks of bedrock. He kept checking the hole, and the signal remained very strong.

This only puzzled him all the more as he could clearly see that it was solid bedrock with no sign of any crevice. He finally quit at the end of the day, at a depth of about a foot, but still, nothing in the hole.

An experienced nugget shooting friend dropped by the next morning to see him, and asked him how the hunt was going. My buddy related his tale of the mysterious hole in the bedrock, and told the friend to go over and check it out, and see if he could solve the riddle.

Later in the day, the other nugget hunter returned. In his hand was a fine, fat, sassy nugget. It weighed in at about an ounce and a quarter! After my friend returned his eyeballs to their sockets and zapped his heart to start it again, he asked where the nugget had come from.

Imagine his surprise when he heard it came from the mystery hole!! He asked how deep the other guy had gone into the bedrock to get it. "Well, no deeper" was his reply.

So, here's the rest of the story as to what happened. When the successful nugget hunter got to the bedrock, he scanned the surface got the same strong signal as my buddy. He widened out the hole and scanned again. Still a solid tone. He widened the hole some more so he could get his coil in, and here's the key and the lesson in this story, he got a strong signal off the side of the hole, about six inches down, but set back another inch into the side of the bedrock!!

My unlucky friend, the true discoverer of the gorgeous nugget's resting place had gone deep past the signal while digging his hole!!

Now, of course, a good pinpointer would easily solve this problem. The problem was, my buddy didn't have one, so why would he widen the hole, right? Well, the other guy was the one with more experience, and that's why he did. It was a lot more work, but what a payoff!

So, my buddy's butt is still black and blue from where he kicked himself for the next week or so for having lost such an incredible prize.

Some nugget hunting lessons are harder than others to learn. . . .

All the best,

Lanny


P.S. When in gold country--check the bedrock, regardless of whether it looks likely or not! Mother Nature likes to play games sometimes.

 

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This is a great thread. If I absorb only 1% of the knowledge here, I'll do just fine. I feel I am truly standing on the shoulders of giants. I can't wait to get back out there and hunt!

You know, I truly appreciate you dropping in to say that! It makes the whole process worth the effort, and I'm always grateful to have others drop in to add their excellent knowledge and advice as well.

This thread just keeps going because of that.

Hopefully I'll get a chance to write a story or two about some of the gold I found this summer and some of the adventures and misadventures I experienced.

All the best,

Lanny
 

Cariboo,

How did you make out? With that much bedrock to work, I certainly hope you were able to corral a bit of gold. That's a great looking spot to be sure. Moreover, with the lower water, you just may make some interesting finds that have remained inaccessible.


All the best,

Lanny


Found some small gold so far and yes there are many inaccessible areas on the claims as there is no easy access to this area ( back pack only ) and I have not seen any old signs of mining so far.
With the low water level going to try some thing new for me and that is snorkel. Will be moving the gravel and rocks by hand and hopefully I will come across a little picker.

Seems the season just started and now it's almost over.........Hope yours and everyone's season was a golden experience....
 

Cariboo: using a snorkel is a great deal of fun. If you have never tired it, I can offer a few words of advise. The water is darn cold, so get a wet suit, neoprene boots and gloves. When working bedrock, it will save the suit if you have knee pads (make sure they are tight or the water will steal them) or put on a cheap coverall overtop. Weights are a plus, because you will be buoyant. However, since your area is a hike, have something with you that will hold some rocks for weight. Don't stay so long in the water that you get hypothermia. You can move sand out of crevices by waiving your hand or use a ping pong paddle. Have something with you to pick up small pieces of gold (like needle nose pliers) and a suction bottle. A small screw driver for jammed crevices is handy. At this time of year, it might be easier and more comfortable to use a peeper and keep dry.

Good luck with your adventure and I look forward to reading about your success.
 

Cariboo: using a snorkel is a great deal of fun. If you have never tired it, I can offer a few words of advise. The water is darn cold, so get a wet suit, neoprene boots and gloves. When working bedrock, it will save the suit if you have knee pads (make sure they are tight or the water will steal them) or put on a cheap coverall overtop. Weights are a plus, because you will be buoyant. However, since your area is a hike, have something with you that will hold some rocks for weight. Don't stay so long in the water that you get hypothermia. You can move sand out of crevices by waiving your hand or use a ping pong paddle. Have something with you to pick up small pieces of gold (like needle nose pliers) and a suction bottle. A small screw driver for jammed crevices is handy. At this time of year, it might be easier and more comfortable to use a peeper and keep dry.

Good luck with your adventure and I look forward to reading about your success.

I'm looking forward to it and thanks for the tips placergold...:thumbsup:.... Already have the wetsuit, neoprene socks, mask etc (Nookie brand) but not the gloves yet. Made a little sack out of fishing net to keep a small bottle in (this way the water passes through easily) and cut a X on the soft plastic top for any pickers to be pushed into the bottle and a snuffer bottle is always at hand for the small flakes. It's getting late and I may not have many chances at snorkeling this year but next year I will be more prepared with all the proper equipment and should I have any success I will post some pictures...
 

I really like the idea of an x cut in the side of a plastic bottle for nuggets. Thanks for the tip Cariboo and I will have to try that. Usually for detecting or swimming, I use a scuba diver's container that is on a string around my neck or attached to my vest, but I have to open it each time. The problem with a mesh bag is you also have to open it and the nozzle of the snuffer bottle gets caught up in the mesh (not a big deal, but sometimes a bit of a hassle). FYI - There are scuba mesh "collector bags" of various sizes that have a wire opening that clips shut and opens wide (vs a draw string, which is also sometimes a hassle). The other thing I take underwater is a prospector's pick. It is good for scraping crevices or jamming the pick under big rocks, so I have something to hang onto in current or when I want to stop and get my face close to the bottom.

I guess ongoing that this topic should be on its own, rather than steal Lanny's thread. I sure learn a lot from Lanny and his adventures. I plan on going back and reading all of his posts again this winter. His stories and pictures give me gold fever for sure.
 

It's great to see the conversations and the tips on here about sniping bedrock (Cariboo and Placer, with snorkel, mask, weights, gold bottles, etc.) on here. I did some of that this summer in a serious way for the first time, and yes, we did get gold out of the crevices. After all, when it hits the bedrock, it has to stop. We also found lots of big pieces of magnetite that had been redistributed by the spring flood two years ago, and it was intriguing how they were left stranded in curious places. For instance, the flood must have scoured the river bottom all the way to bedrock as there were lots of super-heavies up high on the edges along the sides of the gorges and the pinch points therein.

Sometimes, all we found was magnetite, and other times, there was gold with the magnetite.

It was an interesting summer indeed, and there's a story there I'll need to tell sometime.

I also found 13 nuggets with the detector, and I'll have to write that story up. It was a very interesting experience, and a good learning experience for me as well.

All the best,

Lanny
 

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Nuggets found in any manner are always "interesting" and I/we look forward to when you have time to put this summers adventure shares out here for us. Just having you make a new post such as this one is a type of thrill as in "OH he's back!"..............63bkpkr
 

Herb,

Great to hear from you as always!

Not quite back yet, but almost. When the good weather winds down, and the bad weather forces me totally out of the mountains, I'll be completely back.

I brought some panning dirt back with me last trip, but the way I make panning dirt is to speed pan down to super-heavies, then collect them in a bucket. So, the panning when I get it back home to let others go at it is loaded with fun!

I had a rookie out this summer that got 70, that's right 70 colors in a pan. Five pickers, flakes, and small specks, but 70 in one pan! Needless to say, he's been bit hard by the bug, and I'm not sure he believes me that finding that much color in a pan is not an ordinary experience (I'd scouted out a hot spot beforehand, but even I was floored by all of that color in one pan!!).

Beginner's luck I guess. . . .

All the best,

Lanny
 



I found out that Eagle has left us (http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...-lost-treasures-mariposa-ca-photos-added.html) and, it is with great and profound sadness that I receive this unwelcome news. The link that I've embedded is to his great thread on treasure hunting and stories of chasing the gold. If you've never read Eagle's thread (I've posted the link to his thread a bunch of times), you really should have a read. He was in the process of publishing a book with even more details when he passed away.


Eagle was truly unique in his generosity to share his wisdom of prospecting and indeed, the priceless knowledge of his life lessons as well. Moreover, he was a good and loyal friend. I have met no other quite like him.

His gift of telling a story is legend.

In fact, I met him because of this fantastic thread of his, as well as through his private messages and phone calls. We conspired together on our forum threads to reach out to as many as possible.

What a loss in my life it would have been if I'd never met him, and this comforting knowledge helps somewhat with the much greater loss of his person.

I can only imagine the depth of him family's loss at this time, and my sympathies extend to them all and to those of you that called him friend.

I called Eagle from time to time to see how he was doing after his earlier heart attack, and he was always the most gracious and welcoming person, a true gentleman. Furthermore, he acted as if he'd known me his entire life--he had that gift of making me feel instantly comfortable and valued.

This is a sad, sad day for me, this lonesome day when I took a moment to catch-up on TNET.

His loss is a profound loss for this forum, for his family, indeed an irreplaceable loss.

Eagle:

I'll keep my eye out for you, my brother, when I walk the silent paths under the vast blue heavens of the great forests of the majestic mountains. I'll look for you whenever I dip a pan in the crystal streams of the rushing waters you loved so much, and I'll watch closely for you looking over my shoulder Eagle when Mother Nature gives up a nugget or two of her precious gold. . . .

All the best,

Lanny

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...-lost-treasures-mariposa-ca-photos-added.html
 

Lanny please tell more of the odd places the heavies were showing up.Great thread been reading this one for a long time .Eagle's was another, he will be missed.A true legend.
 

My son and I went to the claims and he tried with snorkel and mask, ( I had laser eye surgery and close distance is still blurry) so he got to have all the fun. We certainly found out fast what all other type of suits we will need for next year and at different times of the year. What a unexpected surprise for us is that the iron stained quartz vein where it is in the middle is around twelve feet wide and also it goes completely across the river. It was a rush for him as his first time trying this he found some tiny gold flakes. All in all it was a good day and our last day for this season. Left some buckets, shovels, pry bars there and it will be interesting to see if they are still intact next summer without any bear teeth on the buckets.

First two pictures shows him with snorkel and the tiny flakes, third is back packing on our way out. Going to be a long, long winter for me until back on the claims next year..........

Mask 1.JPG.....Mask 2.JPG.....Mask 3.JPG
 

Amen Lanny, well said. EagleDown has flown.

Mike

Mike,

It's a sad day for all of us that loved to read his stories.

He was a master at telling the gold tales.

All the best,

Lanny
 

Eagle R.I.P. my friend. See ya in the Goldfields above.

Hefty,

We'll all have a great get together one day, and hopefully someone has salted the dirt with some rich stuff!

All the best,

Lanny
 

Lanny please tell more of the odd places the heavies were showing up.Great thread been reading this one for a long time .Eagle's was another, he will be missed.A true legend.

Great to hear from you again!

Just a quick note about one place where the heavies were totally unexpected. We were off on a side chute in a bedrock canyon, and there were chunks of ironstone the size of golfballs to about the size of quarters jammed in a crevice about eight feet above the stream flow. That got my attention.

Thanks for the compliment on the thread, and Eagle's thread is most certainly a great thread; moreover, how does anyone replace his wisdom? He'd sure learned a lot of fascinating things in his lifetime.

All the best,

Lanny
 

My son and I went to the claims and he tried with snorkel and mask, ( I had laser eye surgery and close distance is still blurry) so he got to have all the fun. We certainly found out fast what all other type of suits we will need for next year and at different times of the year. What a unexpected surprise for us is that the iron stained quartz vein where it is in the middle is around twelve feet wide and also it goes completely across the river. It was a rush for him as his first time trying this he found some tiny gold flakes. All in all it was a good day and our last day for this season. Left some buckets, shovels, pry bars there and it will be interesting to see if they are still intact next summer without any bear teeth on the buckets.

First two pictures shows him with snorkel and the tiny flakes, third is back packing on our way out. Going to be a long, long winter for me until back on the claims next year..........

Great post! I love the pictures, and the fact that you're out making memories with your son, why those are memories beyond value.

The bad thing about winter is that no matter where you are, if the water goes solid, it's a long winter.

Good luck next season, and all the best,

Lanny
 

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