Bavaria Germany found this ancient Roman Catholic piece?

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Hello all it's been a while since I posted. But I was out visiting my wife's family in Bavaria over the weekend and using my Ace 400 stumbled upon this beautiful piece. Cant seem to quite figure out what it is. Does seem religious with Latin inscription I believe. I have contacted a few professionals but have not heard back yet. Thanks guys. 20200524_143015.webp20200526_111024.webp20200526_111104.webp
 

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My motto is "Every artifact has a story, if we're willing to listen". sarasotadigger84, keep at it to uncover the story, b/c you have lots of listeners!

Heck yeah... I've been checking in every few hours just to see if this thread has been updated. :laughing7:
 

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I think that I would be visiting my in laws in Bavaria more often ! Interesting find and great research.
 

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Good luck with an ID. The actual pictorial part of the design may not help since you will likely find generic similarities. I think it will be the inscription that gives you the best pointer and maybe even then not a date. I'm having great difficulty reading the other part. My reading, starting from the last letter of a word at the broken edge would be:

? (possibly a D)
+
E (I’m pretty sure)
? (possibly a C)
? (possibly an O)
? (possibly a C)
+
? (possibly a G)
? (possibly an A)
? (probably an R)
Z (probably)
Z (probably)
E (I’m sure)
N (I’m sure)
+

The double letter I’ve assigned as two Zs are ‘backwards’ (allowing for the fact that a seal has backwards letters anyway) but I can’t see them as anything else. They’re very angular and quite unlike the very obviously rounded S on the other part of the legend. I mentioned ‘blundered’ legends on another post, so I think the Z letters are probably blundered.

Note also that apart from the archaic font and uncertainly about spacing, there are two additional problems in reading. One is archaic spellings. The other is that words are commonly abbreviated, requiring you to mentally fill in the dropped letters. For example Nürnberg (Nuremberg for English speakers) often appears as NORNB on old tokens and jetons.

If the middle word is GARZZEN, then it might be intended for Garssen in the Lower Saxony part of Germany, but a that's a long way from Bavaria.

Another thing I will mention is the possibility that the letters are abbreviation for a Latin word or phrase. For instance, the 'S' before Alberti likely stands for 'sigillum'.

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Good luck with an ID. The actual pictorial part of the design may not help since you will likely find generic similarities. I think it will be the inscription that gives you the best pointer and maybe even then not a date. I'm having great difficulty reading the other part. My reading, starting from the last letter of a word at the broken edge would be:

? (possibly a D)
+
E (I’m pretty sure)
? (possibly a C)
? (possibly an O)
? (possibly a C)
+
? (possibly a G)
? (possibly an A)
? (probably an R)
Z (probably)
Z (probably)
E (I’m sure)
N (I’m sure)
+

The double letter I’ve assigned as two Zs are ‘backwards’ (allowing for the fact that a seal has backwards letters anyway) but I can’t see them as anything else. They’re very angular and quite unlike the very obviously rounded S on the other part of the legend. I mentioned ‘blundered’ legends on another post, so I think the Z letters are probably blundered.

Note also that apart from the archaic font and uncertainly about spacing, there are two additional problems in reading. One is archaic spellings. The other is that words are commonly abbreviated, requiring you to mentally fill in the dropped letters. For example Nürnberg (Nuremberg for English speakers) often appears as NORNB on old tokens and jetons.

If the middle word is GARZZEN, then it might be intended for Garssen in the Lower Saxony part of Germany, but a that's a long way from Bavaria.

Another thing I will mention is the possibility that the letters are abbreviation for a Latin word or phrase. For instance, the 'S' before Alberti likely stands for 'sigillum'.

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Great info. Yes that seal looks identical to the one I have
Wow that's great.
 

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