Back to our early 1800s farm site.... 1819 LARGE CENT!! possible error coin?

[Evolution]

Got out for a hunt at our early 1800s farm site with my buddy today (FatTony315). I dug a lot of targets...a lot of junk. I thought I was going to have to settle for a few horse tack buckles and several rusty pieces of iron when I got a fairly good hit (65 VDI on the VX3) in the side yard of the house that was pinpointing at about 4 inches deep. The coin must have been on edge because the large cents are usually high 70s to mid 80s on the VDI on this machine. I was definitely happy to see a large copper coin pop out of the side of the hole. I scooped it out of the hole and threw it onto my towel for a picture.



It still has a bit of detail on it and turned out to be an 1819 Matron Head LC. On the reverse where it says one cent the "O" in the one cent seems to be very weakly struck. It almost looks like there is a very weakly struck "S" there that is slightly higher than the N and the E.



I also found a portion of a crotal bell that has half of the makers mark on it so maybe I'll be able to date it.



The only other coin I found today was a 1934 wheatie.



Here;s a compilation picture of todays finds.



Thanks for looking and HH.

 

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[hogge]

Newcomb-6. Has week "O" on the reverse due to striking, as that is how the reverse is. I see the "S", but was probably done after minting, or while in circulation. "S" does not match the other ones on the coin. Could be wrong but I don't think it's a mint error. Take it to a numisist. He'll be able to tell. Nice coin. Hogge

 

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[Evolution]

Yeah , the S is clearly visible - gotta be a rare error ! excellent find !! please keep this thread bumped up to the top so enough
people can see this to properly nail down the variation/value .

Thanks for the response. It's definitely visible. I understand some of the responses... like grease/debris filled dies..post mint damage.. etc. But I just can't see any evidence of an "O" or remnants of someone defacing an "O". Even if it was a minor die error... is that something that would have any additional value more so than a ground found large cent?

 

[hogge]

If you go to Coinfacts website, Large cent varieties, and under 1819, Newcomb-6, you'll see that the "0" is very light in the strike. I think you'll find after a qualified numisist examines it, that whatever is over the "0", it was done after minting. Not trying to discount the coin, just more than likely, what the outcome will be.

 

[Evolution]

If you go to Coinfacts ebsite, Large cent varieties, and under 1819, Newcomb-6, you'll see that the "0" is very light in the strike. I think you'll find after a qualified numisist examines it, that whatever is over the "0", it was done after minting. Not trying to discount the coin, just more than likely, what the outcome will be.

Thanks Hogge. I will definitely have someone give it a look. It's nice to think that something like this could be great but it could just be a minor abnormality. Thanks for the help with the attribution.

 

[Don in SJ]

Agree with Hogge on don't get overly excited about the coin. Not positive it is a N.6, regardless I do not see a S, I see something but not a S. I suggest perhaps sending good photos to Tom Deck from that Large Cent website I use for showing samples of varieties, he might have a better collectors view on the coin. Tom Deck <[email protected]>

 

[Evolution]

Agree with Hogge on don't get overly excited about the coin. Not positive it is a N.6, regardless I do not see a S, I see something but not a S. I suggest perhaps sending good photos to Tom Deck from that Large Cent website I use for showing samples of varieties, he might have a better collectors view on the coin. Tom Deck <[email protected]>

Thanks for the reply and the recommendation to talk to Tom. I thought it was strange that you couldn't see an "S" Don. I was pretty sure it was clear in the original unmagnified picture. I've always appreciated your knowledge on copper coins and attributions... Hogge has always had some great info as well. You guys are always very quick to help people with ID's and attributions. I will definitely email Tom and see what his ideas are on this. Thanks for your help Don.

 

[hogge]

After a closer look, I'll stay with N.6. Looked at the N.9 but the position of both of the "1"'s in the date aren't right. Obverse N.6 was also used on the N.5 but the reverse is wrong there.

 

[wetrock]

I agree it's an N6. I think what your seeing is the lower half of the "s" is actually the top right of the weak O. I think the top half of your "s" could very well just be uneven corrosion. It wasn't uncommon for that area around the O in ONE and the C in CENT to appear weak on the early years of Matron Head large cents.

 

[nov2101]

Outstanding copper and well perserved and other finds are cool. When in doubt dig away and it looks like you did!

 

[Ifoundit69]

Very Nice ! My wife was tellling me at her work in reference to mint errors , they received a roll of new pennys in which 20 of them had large letters covering the back with various letters and her boss took them back to the bank and the bank threw them away .... errrrr I hated to hear that ....could have been some easy money .... But nice score on the L.C never get tired of finding those

 

[Evolution]

Could be a filled die or the "O" may just have flaked off. I see a nice rein guide there next to the spoons. Is that a rosette there in your hand as well?

Yes Erik. I believe it is. There is no detail on it but judging by the back it seems like it had gold gilt at one point. I'm pretty sure its copper... it read a solid 86 on my VX3.

 

[mclean]

Found this coin today, it looks silver and has 1819 on it. it's British but not in great condition, do you think it will be worth anything.

 

[Evolution]

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Found this coin today, it looks silver and has 1819 on it. it's British but not in great condition, do you think it will be worth anything.

Very strange. It seems like it should be copper... but almost seems like it was silver plated... Maybe a possible counterfeit?... If you post it in the "what is it?" forum or in the today"s finds as its own thread you'll get alot more views and someone here will be able to shed more light on it. Interesting find.

 

[Tnmountains]

Nice hunt Evolution. You came out with a super piece after all. Nice relics.

Mclean post your find in a separate post or in the "What is it section" please

 

[mclean]

nae bother