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Do we have to limit it to three? I pointed out, that it is the mass of circumstantial evidence, taken together, which make the strongest evidence in my opinion, not three points or aspects picked out of it. But I will try.
First the near-universal flood myths, which parallel Plato's "earthquakes and floods"; coupled with the now known fact that there were fast rises in the ocean levels due to massive meltwater "pulses" as the eggheads term them. " In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones;" <Timaeus, Plato>
Second the fact that some peoples were at the beginnings of what we consider a "civilization" right around the time of Atlantis, including livestock herding as agriculture, and even horse domestication has now been pushed back to 9000 years ago; a turn of the spade tomorrow, may find even earlier proof. The fact that such places as Jericho, Catal Huyuk, Damascus <well close by at Tell Ramad > and even in the Aegean (discoveries proving that agriculture and sailing for obsidian was already happening circa 13,000 BC!) and keeping in mind that most civilizations arise near the rivers and seas, thus being prone to loss by flooding or rising sea levels, I would say is fair proof that a currently un-discovered civilization (Atlantis) could exist, and probably does. Whom would have predicted that human habitations would be found on the bottom of the Black Sea, or in the English Channel, even thirty years ago? I am convinced that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, of the state of humanity circa the time of Atlantis or before.
Third the "surviving" Atlantians, as recorded by several ancient historians and geographers, including Diodorus. If there were no Atlantis and Titans, how could there be a people known in the time of Diodorus and Herodotus as the descendants? Even the chronicles of Tyre record an expedition to punish Tityans whom had rebelled against Tyre, so we can not simply dismiss the stories of Titans as a Greek invention.
A considerable area of land was lost to rising seas due to the end of the last Ice Age; one estimate put it at one fourth of the total land area. A number of islands were lost, some quite sizable and land bridges submerged as well. We know today that volcanic islands like the Canary isles and Hawaiian islands have suffered catastrophic collapses when masses of land simply fell off into the oceans, causing massive tsunamis that carried destruction clear across the oceans, even shaping some of our Bahama islands in the process. Earthquakes in modern times have resulted in massive areas of land suddenly sinking below sea level as happened in Chile <the Valdivia earthquake of 1960> which parallels just what Plato describes. Considering that humanity was already living on the planet when the Ice Age ended, and the geology is now showing that it ended rather violently, it would be strange if some kind of human record of the event were not recorded.
Joe you have a penchant for asking questions that I can not answer in a few words.
I would like to hear what others consider the best evidence.
Oroblanco
Do we have to limit it to three? I pointed out, that it is the mass of circumstantial evidence, taken together, which make the strongest evidence in my opinion, not three points or aspects picked out of it. But I will try.
First the near-universal flood myths, which parallel Plato's "earthquakes and floods"; coupled with the now known fact that there were fast rises in the ocean levels due to massive meltwater "pulses" as the eggheads term them. " In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones;" <Timaeus, Plato>
Second the fact that some peoples were at the beginnings of what we consider a "civilization" right around the time of Atlantis, including livestock herding as agriculture, and even horse domestication has now been pushed back to 9000 years ago; a turn of the spade tomorrow, may find even earlier proof. The fact that such places as Jericho, Catal Huyuk, Damascus <well close by at Tell Ramad > and even in the Aegean (discoveries proving that agriculture and sailing for obsidian was already happening circa 13,000 BC!) and keeping in mind that most civilizations arise near the rivers and seas, thus being prone to loss by flooding or rising sea levels, I would say is fair proof that a currently un-discovered civilization (Atlantis) could exist, and probably does. Whom would have predicted that human habitations would be found on the bottom of the Black Sea, or in the English Channel, even thirty years ago? I am convinced that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, of the state of humanity circa the time of Atlantis or before.
Third the "surviving" Atlantians, as recorded by several ancient historians and geographers, including Diodorus. If there were no Atlantis and Titans, how could there be a people known in the time of Diodorus and Herodotus as the descendants? Even the chronicles of Tyre record an expedition to punish Tityans whom had rebelled against Tyre, so we can not simply dismiss the stories of Titans as a Greek invention.
A considerable area of land was lost to rising seas due to the end of the last Ice Age; one estimate put it at one fourth of the total land area. A number of islands were lost, some quite sizable and land bridges submerged as well. We know today that volcanic islands like the Canary isles and Hawaiian islands have suffered catastrophic collapses when masses of land simply fell off into the oceans, causing massive tsunamis that carried destruction clear across the oceans, even shaping some of our Bahama islands in the process. Earthquakes in modern times have resulted in massive areas of land suddenly sinking below sea level as happened in Chile <the Valdivia earthquake of 1960> which parallels just what Plato describes. Considering that humanity was already living on the planet when the Ice Age ended, and the geology is now showing that it ended rather violently, it would be strange if some kind of human record of the event were not recorded.
Joe you have a penchant for asking questions that I can not answer in a few words.
I would like to hear what others consider the best evidence.
Oroblanco
