Atlantis has been re-discovered by TN members

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI, ayone want to go deeeep diving?

Atlantis exists and is exactly where it should be, and is of the correct configuration and size.

It was / is a gigantic caldera with two rings.©@

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Atlantis has been re-discovered by Th memeber

The second picture is what Atlantis must have looked like with one small ring.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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[WilliamTheFinder]

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I liked your theory, but I'm not sure you can say it's definitively been rediscovered, and by a TH member

first off, you're not the one to propose this locale...if anything, this is more-or-less where people have been looking for hundreds of years...and I'm not sure you're the first to offer this geological data either.

Secondly, you need more than pictures...you're gonna have to post the data on the age of that particular area, I can't seem to get ahold of it myself. How long ago was it habitable?
There are disparties in the composition of your island and Plato's...Plato says the island was large, but the concentric circles only existed in the capital city. I don't think they'd be as large as you propose

Thirdly, why do you keep posting that shot of Santorini? It's pretty

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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HI William: On being the first, perhaps not, but I have no knowledge of others so claiming, do you?

It is similar to the Lost Jesuit mine of Tayopa. Thousands know of it's general location, but only I ever found and now own it.

My contribution is it's construction, a giant Caldera. The city was on the island in it's center The overall size is determined by the distance of the entire island group, just as modern Greece is determined by all of herislands as well as the mainland..

This fits precisely what is usually accepted as one of the descriptions of Atlantis, Plato's. Whether he was right or wrong is beside the temporary point, it is telling that he described it's location, shape, size, and why it supposedly disappeared in a seismic action.

As you undoubtedly noticed, it lies almost on top of the junction of three major plates. An area noted for extreme activity and quite capable of producing just such an event

How long was it inhabited? First comes the question, the chicken or the egg. How long is a moot question until after it has positively been identified, and physically investigated. when will that be, in our lifetimes?

No, whether I am the first or not, it IS Atlantis.

As for Santorini, I agree it is a beautiful picture and representative of Atlantis's construction. The city of Atlantis would be on that island in the center.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[FISHEYE]

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Don Jose de La Mancha,

Mel Fisher beat you to atlantis.

"Mel Fisher sought more than sunken treasure. “It was always my grandfather’s dream to find Atlantis,” Sean Fisher says. “I’m serious. We have some idea where it is. But it’s a hard salvage operation that will cost a lot of money and resources.”

"Taffi Fisher Abt, director of the Mel Fisher Center, suggesting that a treasure-hunting group actually found the central city of Atlantis off the coast of Cuba."

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Atlantis has been re-discovered by Th memeber

HIO FiSHEYE: Not to take anythng away from them, but the Cuban area lacks many things to comply with the description of Atlantis.

While there is an extremely interestig anomally there, it is relativly shallow with no heavy seismic activity.

Still I would love to explore it since it IS in the depth ranges for free diving..

See the Cuban anomally l. below.


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[mariner]

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In 2002 a Canadian underwater exploration company called ADC (Advanced Digital Communications) claimed to have found the remains of an ancient city on the seabead, 2000 foot below the surface, in between Cuba and the Yucatan peninsula. Some photographs were published briefly on the Internet. The National Geographical Society, represented by Sylvia Earle, worked with ADC for a time in photographing the site.

ADC was one of four companies that had a contract with the Cuban government to seach the oceans around Cuba looking for shipwrecks, and they came across the sunken city while testing out their equipment. Looking at the subsurface geology, it seems that the Yukatan extended out towards Cuba at one time (and may have joined with Cuba). Large areas at the tip of this ancient peninsula would break off and slip into the ocean from time to time, and it is possible that one such area contained an ancient city, which now lies on the ocean floor.

I was in contact with ADC for a time because they had also found an old shipwreck just off Cabo San Antonio, the western tip of Cuba, which might well have been that of a Cortes ship that sank there in 1526. ADC's contract with Cuba apparently came to a halt because Cuba sold the exploration rights to the west of the Island to China, so they could search for oil, and that contract precluded any other form of underwater exploration.

I do not know what came of the film that was shot in conunction with National Geographic.

There is quite a bit about this still on the internet, and this can most easily be found by typing in the name of the Russian (ex-Russian) president of ADC, which is Paulina Zelitsky.

Now, whether this sunken city, if it exists, was Atalantis is another matter. Paulina was keen to play down that suggestion, which she rightly described as premature.

Mariner

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Atlantis has been re-discovered by Th memeber

Excellent post Mariner, thank you for pertinent information. If you have any more, would love to see it.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Atlantis has been re-discovered by Th memeber

I am curious, I expected to be ground up for hamburger by now? I am sure that most do not agree with me soooo?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[FISHEYE]

Re: Atlantis has been re-discovered by Th memeber

Tell me the reason why anyone would want to find atlantis?

 

[piratediver]

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Don Jose: the area you have circled is very close to the Azores, a chain of 9 islands off the coast of Portugal. This area holds some of the best shipwrecks in the world, I had 2 companies in the 1990's that tried to get permits there but the Socialists would have none of it. There are several huge calderas there and the islands are very active volcanically. I have been there more than 10 times and it is beautiful!


Pirate Diver

 

[aquanut]

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Mel Fisher told me back in 1996 that he had found Atlantis. When I questioned him about a certain rumor of an artifact, he laughed and asked me if I believed in Crystal Power. He said he couldn't be specific about the artifact or the location because he was in discussions with investor's. Sadly, that was the last time we visited.
Aquanut

 

[Bum Luck]

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I met Mel, around the same time, and we talked about Atlantis also. I'll have to scan my memory bank (if possible) and try to remember what our conversation was. We mainly talked about my working for him.

I'm an Atlantis buff myself, ever since I read Plato as a kid, and I think it is "through the Pillars of Hercules", and the most logical place is around the Azores. I am always amused by the theory of Santorini being Atlantis, as if an island between Egypt and Greece could have been mis-described by them.

I am unable to locate any decent ocean bottom (bathyspheric) charts for the area. Does anyone know if there are any online?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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HI Fisheye, you posted--> Tell me the reason why anyone would want to find Atlantis?
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Hmm History always hates a void in itself. why study any thing in the past? Including Spanish ships and shipping from the 1400's to present? If nothing else, man's inherent curiosity for knowledge, the why, where. when etc.
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HOLA PIRATE DIVERM You posted -->

the area you have circled is very close to the Azores, a chain of 9 islands off the coast of Portugal.
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I have included them as the southern extension of Atlantis. I agree, it is a spectacular area down there.
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Aquanaut: You have left me hanging on the vine so to speak more. hehehehh

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BUM LUCK: HI I have included Santorni simply so others can visualize what the Atlantis realm must have looked like. Based upon this, Atlantis must have been beautiful.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Cpt.Buzzkill]

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8)
Don't believe him guys...RT just wants to divert you all away from Tayopa..hehehe....good thinking though. What's up J ?

CB

 

[Cynangyl]

Re: Atlantis has been re-discovered by Th memeber

rofl ya think?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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Damnit keep yer big nose out of Tayopa buzzy, hehehehehhe

Hey, I may be going back up there in June or July. want more pictures?

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s where have you been? My em's have been returned?

p.p.s. When Tayopa is in it's final stage, let's go recover the Zimmerman Gold bars in Baja. and close the case on history.

 

[Oroblanco]

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HOLA mi amigos,

Don Jose', Dueno de Real e Minas de Tayopa, you escamp! What a clever ruse to draw attention away from Tayopa, simply toss out something guaranteed to attract treasure hunters like Atlantis.

FISHEYE wrote:

Tell me the reason why anyone would want to find atlantis?

There are many reasons amigo, for one, Atlantis was described as the wealthiest power on Earth in its day, as Plato said it was so rich that it was unlikely that any nation would ever attain that level again. That is a good drawing card as any, which is certain to attract folks who love treasure. Plus if Plato is to be trusted, such a sudden destruction would mean that none or very little of the Atlantian treasure got "saved" by any survivors, the great majority must remain in the ruins. Then there is the fame - many would love to become known as the person who solved the ultimate riddle, and finally found Atlantis; this feat would surpass even the great Schliemann, discoverer of "mythical" Troy. What about on a personal level, to satisfy a personal quest for knowledge, to seek the answer to a question that no one can answer FOR you? The idea of searching for Atlantis might seem a pointless exercise to someone who has little interest in it, but there is enjoyment in the search, not unlike the joy of treasure hunting, which as any treasure hunter can tell - is the real benefit in the art, any monetary rewards are simply icing on the cake. At least seeking Atlantis is relatively harmless, unlike SOME pursuits that are quite popular today...

Don Jose' your proposed location holds a lot of promise, what about any other evidence to tie in with the location? Do you know of any kind of finds made in that region to suggest that it was once above sea level? (eg ancient tree stumps brought up in fishermens' nets, pieces of masonry, megalithic structures seen, etc) If it cannot be shown to have been above sea level in the past (and not in the extremely distant past, such as two submerged continents in other parts of the world that have not been above sea level in over a million years) then your location cannot be the correct site.

To "fit" with Plato, your location ought to also have a string of other islands (also probably submerged, I presume) that would serve as "stepping stones" to ships voyaging across the ancient Atlantic; in fact we ought to find a group of at least ten islands that are sizable; we can surmise that tiny islets would not have been large enough to support a fair population of people.

Oroblanco

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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OHIO My Eloquent friend, you gave a nice explanation on why anyone would like to find Atlantis outside of the treasure. As a matter of fact this is exactly how I feel about Tayopa. Now that I am not worried about eating money, It can sit for a while until the Mexican gov't gives me the permits.

Until then, even if no-one else considers it as such, if you will forgive me, it is my ego factor. I have done what hundreds of others have failed doing for over 400 years, that is reward enough in one way. Of course I do want to see it opened for the data, maps, and artifacts that are stored in that room. Naturally I would love to fondle a gold bar or two but ----sigh. Atlantis would be the same.
No, historical treasure hunting is a vice in itself.
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Don Jose' your proposed location holds a lot of promise, what about any other evidence to tie in with the location? Do you know of any kind of finds made in that region to suggest that it was once above sea level?
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Since this was started on a whim in playing the Devils advocate in the Aztec thread, I orig. proposed it as the birth place of the Aztecs, AZTLAN, as a joke etc. However, in developing my hypothetical case, it suddenly became obvious that Plato's description and it were precisely the same, too much of a coincidence involved.

So I have investigated it more intensively, with the result that there is no doubt that it IS Atlantis. As for being above sea level only 10-12000 years ago, that remains for the professionals to determine. However, since It lies on the junction of 3 -major plates, it is obviously subject to violent movements, of which submergence is one, perhaps not to it's present depth in a day or two, but slowly over the centuries.

I am content that I have found the site of Atlantis, the proof remains for the future, but one can hope that out there someone is reading these posts and hopfully their curiosty has been sparked, .they may be in a position to organize an expedition

The seed has been is sowed for an intensive future investigation.
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To "fit" with Plato, your location ought to also have a string of other islands (also probably submerged, I presume) that would serve as "stepping stones" to ships voyaging across the ancient Atlantic; in fact we ought to find a group of at least ten islands that are sizable; we can surmise that tiny islets would not have been large enough to support a fair population of people.
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Agreed, as I once mentioned, Atlantis proper was the giant Caldera, however, the outlaying islands which formed the empire, continued to the south. - they are the Azores. Atlantis' configuration is in the form of a giant "Q" with the Azores forming the tail. see following post. ©@

Heck, this beats a crossword puzzle hands down hehehheh.


Don Jose de La Mancha