as a seller do you leave feedback first?

Once every two or three weeks I go in and leave all feed backs for all items paid for. That may come before or after they received the item or left feedback for me.


Same here - we're moving 100+ (shifting to 200 this Sunday) items per week and automate everything except feedback because I actually like to personalize it. I've never left a negative feedback for anyone on ebay (even when you could as a seller)--- just not worth it. If you buy something and its not up to snuff, just file a case with paypal / ebay. Anyone who ever saw this from the other side knows that its pretty much guranteed to work out in your favor. If you have a grouchy customer - take of care of him/her and move on. A few early complainers have become some of our best repeat customers.

Also - we offer 100% money back "no questions asked returns" and that seems to keep even the crazy customers at bay (if they get angsty, we even pay return shipping). Returns run less than 5% on average.
 

I work for a fishing tackle wholesaler. My job there is running their newly started eBay store. They started an eBay Store in the Summer of 2011, but it hadn't really taken off. She offered my a job and I took it. Most of my responsibilities revolve solely on this eBay store.

I started there in February 2012. Last year (2012), we totaled approximately 8,000 orders (not items...orders). This totaled $110,000 in sales and we generated about 5,500 positive feedbacks, which is a pretty high percentage as far as I am concerned.

We received maybe 1-2 returns a month and I believe 3 negative feedbacks. 2 were revised as they were left by mistake and 1 was removed by eBay as they sided with us in the matter. So we still maintained 100% positive feedback.



Anyway, eBay states that the seller SHOULD leave positive feedback AFTER the item is paid for and BEFORE it is shipped. This creates good faith between the buyer and seller.

When a buyer pays, they are technically following through with their end of the agreement. As a seller, it is your job to show appreciation (so to speak) for those buyers who are paying for the item. I guess you don't have to, but like Iron Patch said...its a business. Why wouldn't you want to keep the customer happy? Keep in mind...the buyer PAYS for an item, but has not yet seen it up close or received it in hand. They are trusting that the seller is going to ship the correct item in a timely manner and that the item is going to be what was pictured and described.

Just think about it for a minute...how often do you pay for things (other than the internet) before you actually receive them?

If you go into a restaurant, you eat first...pay later. If you go into a store...you often view the item, look it over, then take it to the counter to pay, but you leave with the item in hand. If you buy a car, you test drive it. Buy a house...you take a few walk throughs and get an inspection. Get landscaping done, a new roof on your house, etc...the work is usually done first, then you pay. Of course there are always situations where people may have to put down a deposit or down payment, but you get the general idea.

Look at the history of sales/trade.

A fur trader in the United States 200+ years ago for instance. They trapped animals, skinned them, tanned the hides, then traveled to sell them or trade them for other goods or services. The fur trader did all kinds of WORK first, then got rewarded after the work was completed. The buyer of furs didn't pay the fur harvester first...then expect deliver of the goods later. Hell no...they hand picked the furs they were interested in and bought those. Therefore, the fur harvester had to do a good job in trapping, skinning, at least hide preservation if not tanning of the hides to ensure that he was paid for the work in which he did. If he wanted payment or trade for his hides...then he had to do a good job.


The internet is a whole new ball game. You pay first...and take a chance on whether or not you'll receive your item.

For this reason...if a buyer pays, I think positive feedback should be left immediately. They are holding up their end of the deal. Now its up to you to deliver what was promised and hope that feedback is reciprocated.

As a seller you cannot leave negative feedback anyway, so what's the point in holding off leaving positive feedback? There is nothing to gain from it. Besides...the seller shouldn't get the best of both worlds. The seller has the advantage at first because they get paid for the item before they actually ship it. Think about it...the seller has the money and the item (even if only for a short time). The buyer has the advantage AFTER the item is received because they can choose whether or not to leave feedback at all, or choose to leave positive, neutral, or negative feedback.
 

Final note. Please think about this for a minute...

Just because you are honest and sell a good product, it does not necessarily mean that you deserve positive feedback either.

We can probably all relate to this analogy. There have probably been plenty of meals that we have eaten in restaurants over the years that have been fine. Food was okay, service was okay, maybe even the price was okay. But...if everything was just "okay"...would you return to that restaurant? Would you leave them positive feedback? Would you ask to thank the cook or thank the manager or his wonderful wait staff if everything about your experience was just okay? Would you write a letter to the local newspaper or recommend that restaurant to friends on an "okay" experience? Probably not.

The reason being this...people going to restaurants for a meal are looking for more than an average experience. Do you want to pay for a place that is rated as merely an average place? So its up to the people as a whole that work in a restaurant to provide a better than average experience if they hope to gather positive feedback in the community and gain more future business. Successful restaurants stay in business and grow because they provide great customer service, great food, and competitive prices for the services that they are offering.

eBay operates similar in that respect. If you want to increase your positive feedback...provide a better than average experience.

Leave positive feedback first, offer a minimum of a 14 day return policy and 1 day handling times.

For my personal eBay store (not where I work), I send a form email, including the customers first name, in which I thank them for their order and inform them that their package is going to ship on that day. I also let them know that I have already left positive feedback for their purchase and ask that if they are happy with the transaction then to please leave me positive feedback as well. It also notes that I appreciate their business and to please let me know immediately if something is wrong and I will my best to correct it.

The packages and envelopes that I ship are also very neat looking. Not all sloppy like a lot of eBay sellers.


I have received over 800 positive feedback in the last 4 months, which is feedback for nearly 80% of the orders I have shipped.

So...if you want more positive feedback...then offer a positive experience.


As far a crummy eBay BUYERS...they exist just like everywhere else. Some people just suck. Something anyone in business has to deal with is the crappy, always unhappy, impossible to please customers. But ask any business owner...if you want a large, quality customer base...then you are gonna have to deal with a couple crappy ones.



Deerhunter24
 

Well thought out and intelligent, well articulated thoughts. I think you covered it all and hit every nail on the head. I would "like" your posts if I knew how. Bravo and well done.

T.
 

Deerhunter24, I of course agree with what you say because I take the same position, but what interests me about your post is you operating an Ebay store for the business. In a way I sort of wish I had the same obligation as doing it for someone else because I take too much time off! But then again I'd probably have a hard time keeping motivated considering how many years I've been doing it for myself. I bet the one thing a business doesn't realize when they start an ebay store is how many hours it takes, and how so little can seem like is getting done over a few hours of steady effort. If you have to take a lot of pictures you'll know what I've mean... something I've done for 10 hours at a time before. And just answering emails/questions can burn through an hour quick... nevermind packing and shipping the stuff! (something else I've spent marathon sessions doing)
 

Absolutely Iron Patch!

As I said...I shipped probably 150 orders a week on average last year for this other company. Then I would come home everyday and package another 10-20 per day of my own every night so that I could drop them off at the post office on my way into work in the morning. Lots and lots of work.

Technically, I am running 2 eBay stores by myself.

Questions can definitely burn through the time. The most irritating are the people who want special deals or lower prices if they buy a lot, then you redo a listing to accommodate them somehow...and they end up NOT buying from you after you spent an hour or more answering their questions or redoing a listing...or trying to figure out a fair price where you still feel validated for your time.




Deerhunter24
 

I never leave FB until it is left for me.

That has been my personal policy since day one, and until ebay forces me to change it, I will stay with the same policy.
 

Absolutely Iron Patch!

As I said...I shipped probably 150 orders a week on average last year for this other company. Then I would come home everyday and package another 10-20 per day of my own every night so that I could drop them off at the post office on my way into work in the morning. Lots and lots of work.

Technically, I am running 2 eBay stores by myself.

Questions can definitely burn through the time. The most irritating are the people who want special deals or lower prices if they buy a lot, then you redo a listing to accommodate them somehow...and they end up NOT buying from you after you spent an hour or more answering their questions or redoing a listing...or trying to figure out a fair price where you still feel validated for your time.




Deerhunter24


Those numbers would be about where I am when I'm busy, but have had times where I sold a lot more. I remember one week in particular I sold about 560 items. Even though many buyers were combining, sometimes quite a few at a time, I was still kind of thinking... what did I get myself into. But my nature is to go full throttle, make the money, and then worry about getting the stuff out later. That particular sale I shipped over 3 days, and I tell yeah I was damn happy to be done. My Paypal was pretty fat with cash though! :tongue3: So all worth it.
 

Sellers cant say anything negative about buyers.
I have left a couple neg comments you just have to word it properly.

like "Great Buyer, refuses to pay or even answer emails"

I check on one of my "Positive" comments I left a while back and it is still up.
 

IMO feedback should be left when the transaction is completely over. That means the buyer has the item in hand & has acknowledged they are satisfied. Until that happens the prompt payer could turn into the buyer from hell.
I could not have said it any better.
 

I never leave FB until it is left for me. That has been my personal policy since day one, and until ebay forces me to change it, I will stay with the same policy.

I am surprised feeBay doesn't just automatically give pos FB to buyers the second they pay. They do everything else to screw with the sellers.
 

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