deepsix47
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- Jul 26, 2006
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ARTIFACTS, ARCHAEOLOGY & THE ANCIENT ONES
IF YOU SCAN DOWN AND LOOK AT THE PICTURES FIRST, YOU WILL GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THIS POST IS ABOUT.
A little about each picture:
1) The two "war club heads" were found in a heavily wooded area, near the bases of an unusually shaped tree and a V shaped tree that had a large rock wedged between them. I also showed them to a friend of mine that is an archaeologist/knapper/teacher/this/that. He can feel things and after seeing the area assured me as to what they are and that they were used by the ancient ones. Yea, right.
2) The glyphs (rock art) were found in a cave in Utah
3) The leaf point was found near Parker, Colorado and the pottery chard came from near a hot spring in New Mexico. The dime (used for size comparison) came from change at a local supermarket....lol.
NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY
The two "war club heads", aside from their unusual shapes, show absolutely NO sign of being worked by human hands. Could they actually be war club heads?? I guess anything is possible but with no other indication, the claim is based on nothing more then imagination (simply put, they are rocks). Because of their natural shape however they could be prime candidates to be worked into these things as well as others.
The glyphs were in fact found in a cave in Utah where they are still located. They are on the wall just inside of the cave entrance. Searching for glyphs (especially those that have not been previously located) has been a long enjoyed hobby. Also, I enjoy reproducing these glyphs onto rock and sell them at various events from PowWows to gun shows. I hand peck them as the early artists did and only use paint (all natural plant paints that I make myself) if the originals had it. In this case the white is actually the color of the rock when it is marked. These tell a story as most do. Just for fun, can anyone tell me the story these glyphs tell??
The leaf point was found while surface hunting on the edge of a small canyon, near a large rock shelter, near Parker, Colorado. The pottery chard was in the sand next to a pool, downstream from a hot spring. My girlfriend and I had been skinny dippin and were drying off in the sun on a blanket when she found it in the sand. We actually found several dozen pieces before we hiked out the next day.
MY POINT
I admit that I wrote this post in responce to an insult thrown at me, by the originator of another thread, for asking a perfectly honest question. This response however is not meant to be ridicule but in fact, educational.
Archaeology is not an exacting science. Merely finding an odd shaped stone, even if found in a known artifact producing area, does not an artifact make. In the case of the ....war club heads.... only their general shape would possibly catch the eye as it did ours. Their is no context to make any further assumption from. These rocks my girlfriend and I gathered because of my glyph carving hobby and when I decided to make this posting she suggested I use them as an example.
Anyone who makes unfounded assumptions, especially concerning artifacts, leaves themselves open to ridicule. To be abusive in their responses to perfectly legitimate questions shows not only poor manners but a general lack of intelect as well. I know of no legitimate archaeologists (and I know many) that would speculate as to what a particular item was thats only claim is that its shape is unusual.
Ancient inhabitants of this country had learned to live as part of their natural world, not attempt to modify the environment to suit themselves. This is why they were so successful and created vast civilizations while Europeans were still experiencing the dark ages. They learned to utilize items found within their environment to create the tools they needed for their needs. In creating these items they worked them and by so doing they left marks by which these tools can be identified (not always to their actual use but identified as to have being worked into something). Again, just having an unusual shape does not an artifact make.
I've been searching for artifacts and TH'ing in general for a long time and have a pretty fair knowledge of the subject but a day doesn't go by that I don't learn something new. There are many very knowledgeable people here on TN and their posts show me how much I still have to learn. The quest for knowledge is eternal. Maybe that's why the fields of treasure hunting and archaeology appeal to me so much. Several times I have posted "what is its" and either have had them identified or they still remain in the what is it collection....lol. Other times I've posted items that I believed to be one thing and was shown that the posting was actually more likely to be something else and why. I thank Cannonman, Eric, and the others for their input on these posts.
Keep an open mind. Listen to various opinions. Weigh all of the information you get then form your own opinion. This is far more effective then depending on the opinion of a single individual that may be telling you merely "what you want to hear". If you use sound scientific principles, you may not always come to the correct conclusion but you will, in every instance, come to a conclusion that is reasonable for the information available and one that is open to change as more evidence becomes available. As stated before. Archaeology is not an exacting science and what may be truth today can change with a single new discovery.
Deepsix
IF YOU SCAN DOWN AND LOOK AT THE PICTURES FIRST, YOU WILL GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THIS POST IS ABOUT.
A little about each picture:
1) The two "war club heads" were found in a heavily wooded area, near the bases of an unusually shaped tree and a V shaped tree that had a large rock wedged between them. I also showed them to a friend of mine that is an archaeologist/knapper/teacher/this/that. He can feel things and after seeing the area assured me as to what they are and that they were used by the ancient ones. Yea, right.
2) The glyphs (rock art) were found in a cave in Utah
3) The leaf point was found near Parker, Colorado and the pottery chard came from near a hot spring in New Mexico. The dime (used for size comparison) came from change at a local supermarket....lol.
NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY
The two "war club heads", aside from their unusual shapes, show absolutely NO sign of being worked by human hands. Could they actually be war club heads?? I guess anything is possible but with no other indication, the claim is based on nothing more then imagination (simply put, they are rocks). Because of their natural shape however they could be prime candidates to be worked into these things as well as others.
The glyphs were in fact found in a cave in Utah where they are still located. They are on the wall just inside of the cave entrance. Searching for glyphs (especially those that have not been previously located) has been a long enjoyed hobby. Also, I enjoy reproducing these glyphs onto rock and sell them at various events from PowWows to gun shows. I hand peck them as the early artists did and only use paint (all natural plant paints that I make myself) if the originals had it. In this case the white is actually the color of the rock when it is marked. These tell a story as most do. Just for fun, can anyone tell me the story these glyphs tell??
The leaf point was found while surface hunting on the edge of a small canyon, near a large rock shelter, near Parker, Colorado. The pottery chard was in the sand next to a pool, downstream from a hot spring. My girlfriend and I had been skinny dippin and were drying off in the sun on a blanket when she found it in the sand. We actually found several dozen pieces before we hiked out the next day.
MY POINT
I admit that I wrote this post in responce to an insult thrown at me, by the originator of another thread, for asking a perfectly honest question. This response however is not meant to be ridicule but in fact, educational.
Archaeology is not an exacting science. Merely finding an odd shaped stone, even if found in a known artifact producing area, does not an artifact make. In the case of the ....war club heads.... only their general shape would possibly catch the eye as it did ours. Their is no context to make any further assumption from. These rocks my girlfriend and I gathered because of my glyph carving hobby and when I decided to make this posting she suggested I use them as an example.
Anyone who makes unfounded assumptions, especially concerning artifacts, leaves themselves open to ridicule. To be abusive in their responses to perfectly legitimate questions shows not only poor manners but a general lack of intelect as well. I know of no legitimate archaeologists (and I know many) that would speculate as to what a particular item was thats only claim is that its shape is unusual.
Ancient inhabitants of this country had learned to live as part of their natural world, not attempt to modify the environment to suit themselves. This is why they were so successful and created vast civilizations while Europeans were still experiencing the dark ages. They learned to utilize items found within their environment to create the tools they needed for their needs. In creating these items they worked them and by so doing they left marks by which these tools can be identified (not always to their actual use but identified as to have being worked into something). Again, just having an unusual shape does not an artifact make.
I've been searching for artifacts and TH'ing in general for a long time and have a pretty fair knowledge of the subject but a day doesn't go by that I don't learn something new. There are many very knowledgeable people here on TN and their posts show me how much I still have to learn. The quest for knowledge is eternal. Maybe that's why the fields of treasure hunting and archaeology appeal to me so much. Several times I have posted "what is its" and either have had them identified or they still remain in the what is it collection....lol. Other times I've posted items that I believed to be one thing and was shown that the posting was actually more likely to be something else and why. I thank Cannonman, Eric, and the others for their input on these posts.
Keep an open mind. Listen to various opinions. Weigh all of the information you get then form your own opinion. This is far more effective then depending on the opinion of a single individual that may be telling you merely "what you want to hear". If you use sound scientific principles, you may not always come to the correct conclusion but you will, in every instance, come to a conclusion that is reasonable for the information available and one that is open to change as more evidence becomes available. As stated before. Archaeology is not an exacting science and what may be truth today can change with a single new discovery.
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Ah.... think I'll stay outta dis one. 
