Artifact Small Point Display, North American or Saharan?

[cooperdrummond]

I bought a collection of points, scrapers, etc locally from a man who had a large collection in the past. This particular display was interesting I thought due to the large variation in color that you see in all the points. Since I do not know a lot of about specific point types and regions, I wanted to get an opinion on your thoughts on these? Do these look like North American, (Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi area), or could they be Saharan? He was told that most of these were found in Arkansas, but I wanted to see if that seemed reasonable to believe based on the types shown here. All are about 1" long a little less. Many are made off of flakes. Any input welcome. Thanks for looking.

 

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[opalboy]

With the uniform size, I’ll bet you’re right in thinking Sahara.

 

[Gare]

Nice collection . Question How can you tell recent made points from the real old ones ?
Or is it just years and years experience ?

 

[ToddsPoint]

There is an American point type that is similar to yours called a Nodena. The center of the range is Arkansas. I’d say there’s a good chance those are Arkansas points. The type of material might tell for sure. I don’t know Arkansas flint at all. A collector from AR should be able to tell if the material is from there.

 

[Gare]

Great Picture Todds

 

[cooperdrummond]

Gare, some of the modern points are poorly made and aren't knapped, easy to tell on those when they are done with a dremel...once you get into "quality" reproductions, it would certainly take experience and knowing proper types, flaking, material type, minerilzation, etc... I certainly don't have that much experience!

Todds, thanks for that picture and info, I was hoping they could be from here and I am not an expert on the flint types, but certainly seem like the material could be from around here or at least part of this state.

 

[newnan man]

Quality small points are not normally faked much, not a big demand. Small tourist points are faked but are so crude and machine made they are obvious fakes. These look like they are real. Having them in hand and a loup to view them would help. I don't in my opinion, see Sahara looking fakes here.

 

[Gare]

Gare, some of the modern points are poorly made and aren't knapped, easy to tell on those when they are done with a dremel...once you get into "quality" reproductions, it would certainly take experience and knowing proper types, flaking, material type, minerilzation, etc... I certainly don't have that much experience!

Todds, thanks for that picture and info, I was hoping they could be from here and I am not an expert on the flint types, but certainly seem like the material could be from around here or at least part of this state.

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[RGINN]

If you can figure out the material they're made from, they would be a help in determining their origin.

 

[cooperdrummond]

Thanks for the replies. There are lots of different materials in this mix, I'd have to isolate a few and see if I could figure out material type.

There were several other displays and pieces I bought. 1 of the more interesting ones included these 4 "Thunderbirds" as I may call them. I was hesitant about these 4 pieces...I have never seen anything quite like them and was wondering if they are something that was actually made by Native people? Is this something you can actually find, or are these just reproductions of some sort? Any insight on them would be appreciated!

 

[newnan man]

Thanks for the replies. There are lots of different materials in this mix, I'd have to isolate a few and see if I could figure out material type.

There were several other displays and pieces I bought. 1 of the more interesting ones included these 4 "Thunderbirds" as I may call them. I was hesitant about these 4 pieces...I have never seen anything quite like them and was wondering if they are something that was actually made by Native people? Is this something you can actually find, or are these just reproductions of some sort? Any insight on them would be appreciated!

100% fake. That's just my take on them.

 

[cooperdrummond]

100% fake. That's just my take on them.

Thanks, that confirms what I thought, just wanted another opinion! Thank you for sharing.

 

[Buckleberry]

Thunderbirds and fish hooks are all known to be a modern style of point with no historical precedent. I do own a large frame of African Neolithic Saharans and I see some similarities with some of those leaf points, difficult to say (esp. in online pics) as there are some NA points that resemble them as well, as another member pointed out..

 

[cooperdrummond]

Thunderbirds and fish hooks are all known to be a modern style of point with no historical precedent. I do own a large frame of African Neolithic Saharans and I see some similarities with some of those leaf points, difficult to say (esp. in online pics) as there are some NA points that resemble them as well, as another member pointed out..

That is good to know, and I appreciate the information!