Arabic coin??? what country though.

[michanddave]

Can anyone help, Ive been through my books and I cannot figure out where this coin comes from. I think the date is Hyderabad Arabic and reads 1346 but I may be wrong as the 4th date symbol isnt clear.
The coin is about the same size as a nickel

 

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[Michelle]

India?

 

[Mackaydon]

michanddave:

In Islamic nations, portraiture was prohibited under religious law, and therefore the coinage bore no portraits, just artistically arranged inscriptions. One of the most distinctive of these Islamic renditions is shown on the top picture of your Ottoman 'kurush' (?) piece.

The symbol on the top coin pic, a “tughra,” was used for centuries as the official mark of the sultan of the Ottoman Empire and appeared on coins, notes, stamps, and other documents. It was said to have originated with Sultan Murad I (1360–1389) who, unable to sign his name, dipped his hand in ink and pressed it onto the paper of a treaty. The three vertical strokes of the tughra supposedly represent the ring, index, and middle fingers; the extension to the right, the small finger; and the curved line to the left, the thumb. From sultan to sultan, the general design of the tughra remained the same, but each sultan's mark was distinctive, consisting of a complex monogram formed by the ruler's name, that of his father, the title khan, and the epithet, 'ever victorious.' The tughra was typically centered on the obverse of the coin with various symbols to the right and the regnal year of the sultan below.

I didn't answer your question, but hopefully, made the search more interesting.

Don..

(Source: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...Zagon+tughra&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-)

 

[SHERMANVILLE ILLINOIS]

Your date 1346, would be around 1928.
They use the Hijri date.

see

http://prayer.al-islam.com/convert.asp?l=eng

have a good un...............

 

[Mackaydon]

michanddave

Those two loops on the left side of the top coin pic are called 'eggs'. Within the inner 'egg' is what might appear a a straight line with a loop at the right end. Above that loop are two marks. If they represent Arabic numbers, they then resemble a 9 followed by a 2. I don't see how that can help, but it may be another piece of the puzzle.
Don.......

 

[Michelle]

India Lot 1279 India. 1 Dinar, ND (Hadrat Dehli). Fr-453. Mohammad III Bin Tuqhlaq, AH725-752 (1325-1351). Arabic legend. NGC graded AU-50.
Estimated Value $200-300.

Provenance: The Emile A. Tartakow Collection.

Realized $320

 

[PBK]

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Wanna try that one again, Michelle?

 

[Michelle]

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Wanna try that one again, Michelle?

You stepped on my right foot.......eeps......

 

[Michelle]

PBK....Is this Persian and Arabic writing?

 

[nhbenz]

Nice find Michanddave. Mack and Sherm: good info, stuff I didn't know ... thanks! -Ben

 

[Mackaydon]

Michanddave:
Assuming the blurred coin date in Arabic is 1346, and assuming also that 'our' date for that coin is therefore 'around 1928', then that would place the coin beyond the time of the last caliph and sultan (Abdul Mejid II: 1922-1924). The date of 1928 places the coin in the Turkish Republic reign of Mastafa Kemal Pasha (1923-1938). Has anyone checked out coinage from his reign?

There were 36 sultans in the Ottoman Empire; 35 of them had distinctive 'turgas'. Of the samples available to me, none of the 35 match the turga of this coin. That might support the idea that the coin was not minted until or after 1924. Granted, (1) my eyes are failing, (2) there may be variations of tugras and (3) this may not be a real coin: Many possibilities.
Don......

 

[michanddave]

Thanks for all your help so far. Ive been trying to match the "tughra" to the images but I cant. It got me really perplexed as I got 20 of these coins in a mixed lot and they dont seem that old.

I`m beginning to think they may be tokens of some type.

Thanks again
Dave 8)

 

[Mackaydon]

Dave:
Perhaps there is someone in your area who can read Arabic and interpret the reverse side text for you--then us.
Don......

 

[Michelle]

HYDERABAD 1ANNA BRASS COIN,Hyderabad coin with 400years old charminar famous south indian structure built four hundred year ago by quliqutabshah in rememberence of his lover bhagamathi this structure of built with only with the measure of brick and land still in tack without any dimage there is no other structure built like these in used dimension anywhere in the world.these coin is issued by father last NIZAM mohoob ali pasha asafjha VI 1869to1811. first machine mint which

 

[Mackaydon]

Michanddave:

I find this research great entertainment; thanks for the challenge.

Mahboob Ali Pasha did reign between 1869 and 1911, but he was not the last of seven rulers of the Asif Jahi Dynasty (The Nizams of Hyderabad--India) which began in 1724. Mir Osamn Ali Khan was the last ruler of this dynasty; his reign being from 1911 to 1947, the year India became independent.
If the 1346 Arabic date on this coin is, in fact, our date of 1924, that would then correspond to the reign of Ali Khan. This would also explain why we couldn't find the tugra (tughra) during the era of the Ottoman Sultans--which predates 1924; the Republic of Turkey having been established the year before: 1923.

"Soon after India gained independence in 1947, all princely states were invited to join the Republic. Nizam VII was reluctant to do so; but in 1948, after the Police Action, his state was merged into the Indian Union. Mir Osman Ali Khan, the last Nizam, died on Friday 24 February 1967. It was the end of the princely era."
Source: http://www.hyderabad.co.uk/nizam.htm#Mahboob Ali Khan
So, did we conclude this is an Islamic Indian one 'anna' brass coin from the princely reign of Osamn Ali Khan from the year 1924?
Don......

 

[Jeffro]

its definately Afghani, but I can't find the exact coin yet-