Any idea what this is?

[jraven]

Dug this up about 4 inches down. Any idea what it is? Thanks

 

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[Montana Jim]

Broken planning blade?

 

[jraven]

Broken planning blade?

What is a broken planning blade?

 

[Montana Jim]

There are many varieties and sizes, but the blades are removable and oft lost... I've dug a few similar ones.

 

[jraven]

There are many varieties and sizes, but the blades are removable and oft lost... I've dug a few similar ones.

How old would that be? I did find a .58 caliber Minnie ball bullet from the civil war in the same field.

 

[Montana Jim]

There are many varieties and sizes, but the blades are removable and oft lost... I've dug a few similar ones.

How old would that be? I did find a .58 caliber Minnie ball bullet from the civil war in the same field.

Yes... could be 1800s...

 

[jraven]

Dug this up about 4 inches down. Any idea what it is? Thanks

Thanks for the information. I appreciate it....

 

[duggap]

they may be right but it looks like part of a butt plate from an old musket. That would match with the civil war Minie balls.

 

[ALABEAR]

Was the old planning blades made out of brass?

 

[Montana Jim]

Okay... I gotta ask...

The presence of a mini ball round only indicated a weapon was fired at some point that was from that era... how do you know it was a "CW" fired miniball?

Also... a butt plate from what?

Was the old planning blades made out of brass?

Probebly iron/steel - I've dug some iron blades 1860 - 1910

Planner blade is my suggestion... maybe it's something else.

 

[jraven]

There is a very shiny spot where it has been scratched. If this helps??

 

[jraven]

Here is the bullet I found. Not positive , but that was the concensus i got from Tnet.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Yes. It's CW-Era. But not necessarily CW. I've found Minieballs, Enfields, and Musketballs at housesites--but they weren't CW or Rev. War sites. In no way connected. Folks frequently used the weapons for defense, hunting, etc. What they were given in wartime that was functional in civilian life was used in peacetime after their discharge. The good news is that you might turn up something else military there...but my good buckles and plates were found in housesites where there was no CW-Era lead found--only buttons. Military buttons are a good sign...but lead could come from anywhere, and it could've been used for other purposes besides War.

It's similar to the frustration of digging round lead in search of a CW campsite. Round lead doesn't prove much--since it was so plentiful, and used for such a long time frame in history for hunting, defense, and of course--War. It's the minieballs, buttons, knapsack hooks, etc. that prove a campsite.

Hope I explained that o.k...


Regards,



Buckleboy

 

[GL]

Planer blade to me.

 

[jraven]

Yes. It's CW-Era. But not necessarily CW. I've found Minieballs, Enfields, and Musketballs at housesites--but they weren't CW or Rev. War sites. In no way connected. Folks frequently used the weapons for defense, hunting, etc. What they were given in wartime that was functional in civilian life was used in peacetime after their discharge. The good news is that you might turn up something else military there...but my good buckles and plates were found in housesites where there was no CW-Era lead found--only buttons. Military buttons are a good sign...but lead could come from anywhere, and it could've been used for other purposes besides War.

It's similar to the frustration of digging round lead in search of a CW campsite. Round lead doesn't prove much--since it was so plentiful, and used for such a long time frame in history for hunting, defense, and of course--War. It's the minieballs, buttons, knapsack hooks, etc. that prove a campsite.

Hope I explained that o.k...


Regards,



Buckleboy

Not sure how the bullet got into the field, but here is a little history of the area.

History tells of an Irish B&O brakeman whose ears were freezing from the keen, cold air which crosses Parr's Ridge. He suggested the name Mount Airy would be appropriate. The name met with the favor of the people and became the Town's legal name.

The next decade, 1860 forward, brings the Civil War period when Maryland stayed with the Union, but Mount Airy was very definitely southern in its sympathies. The railroad system to carry northern troops and supplies to the southern battlefield was to be jealously guarded by a New Jersey regiment stationed in Mount Airy. The officers and men were quartered at Pine Grove Chapel and the mess tent was erected to the rear of the church in what is now the cemetery. A sick and delirious soldier who wandered into Ridgeville and died was the first person given a Christian burial in the land back of the church.

By the 1890's the Town had grown considerably and the Episcopal Church was built, followed by the methodist and southern Methodist churches. In 1895, the B&O Railroad, trying to cope with the crossing at Parr's ridge, conceived the idea of a tunnel which in its day was a great engineering feat, and is one the longest tunnels east of the Rockies even today. The laboring force used to construct the tunnel brought turbulent times to Mount Airy with drunken brawls and shooting parties. Could have come from a shooting party. LOL

The Pine Grove Chapel where the regiment was stationed is about a 1/4 mile up a hill/foothill from where I found the bullet/relics in the Field. I couldn't find any info about skirmishes in the area, but did find some stuff about troops marching toward Gettysburg and what not!!!

Mt. Airy (Ridgeville)
Route 27 south

Before the Battle of Gettysburg, the Union troops under the command of General Sedgwick moved through Mt. Airy followed by General Gregg's cavalry. They camped in the area on June 29,1863. The New Jersey Militia was stationed in the Pine Grove Chapel (Ridge Presbyterian Church) to guard the railroad.


Thanks for the help .

 

[jraven]

A List of the Battles, Engagements, Actions and Important Skirmishes in Which
the Eighth Pennsylvania Cavalry Participated During the War of 1861-1865.
Compiled by J. Edward Carpenter, Brevet-Major of Volunteers, Formerly
Captain, Eighth Pennsylvania Cavalry; Treasurer of the Historical Society of
Pennsylvania, &c. Philadelphia: Allen, Lane & Scott's Printing House, Nos.
229, 231 and 233 South Fifth Street, 1886.

The following list, the result of considerable labor and care, is believed to
be substantially correct.

Much of the data required to make it, is in the shape of
letters written from the Regiment in the field, and a diary of events
covering a portion of the time during which it was in active service.

New Market, Md., Skirmish, June 29, 1863.
((((((Ridgeville, Md., Skirmish, June 29, 1863.)))))
((((((Mount Airy, Md., Skirmish, June 29. 1863.)))))
Westminster, Md., Skirmish, June 30, 1863.
Monterey Pass, Md., Action, night attack, July 4-5, 1863.
Smithsburg, Md., Action, July 5, 1863.
Hagerstown, Md., Action, July 6, 1863.
Williamsport, Md., Action, July 6, 1863.
Boonsboro', Md., Action and Engagement, July 8, 9, 1863.
Jones' X Roads, Md., Action, July 10, 1863.
St. James College, Md., near Jones' X Roads, Action, July 11, 12, 1863.
Williamsport Road, Md., Skirmish, July 14, 1863.

 

[Montana Jim]

So we can agree there is a chance your mini ball lead could be from a soldier's rifle.

 

[jraven]

So we can agree there is a chance your mini ball lead could be from a soldier's rifle.

I would say there's a chance..

Anyhow I'm gonna try and get permission to search some private property that was definitely skirmish area. Crossing my fingers.

 

[chipveres]

To go back to the blade for a moment: Plane blades are always made of iron or steel. In case it's brass, it's not a plane blade. In fact they are usually called a "plane iron".

Chip V.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

To go back to the blade for a moment: Plane blades are always made of iron or steel. In case it's brass, it's not a plane blade. In fact they are usually called a "plane iron".

Chip V.

agreed it is not a plane iron.