Any idea what this disk is?

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sjb

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Jul 27, 2006
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Garrett Ace 250, Minelab X-Terra, Minelab Safari

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Dunno either.

On the third picture, on the bottom rim, just to the left of the hallmark, is that a word I see? Or just an optical illusion? I think I see the letters "old".
 

If you'll put on the whats it's forum, One of the guy's over there will help you. Wish I knew how to search for hallmarks..........HH
 

Broken off base plate to a candle stick holder! I noticed a hallmark stamped on it, it could be silver plated?
 

Have you checked the weight? It kind of looks like a weight that can be added to a balance scale. Judging from the age I would see if it comes up to a spot on weight for metric or in ounces.
 

thanks all, I will post it on the "what is it" section as well
 

Ok, in case you didn't see, Crispin was right, it is a Trade Weight - looks similar to this one- THanks again!!!

UK Finds Database - - - UKDFD
 

That is a cool find! Very unique addition to your collection.
 

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Unbelieveable find,what Island did you find it on.:icon_thumleft:
 

Bump. Got the book out to check the date of these:

The verification mark of a crown over 'H' was done in London, UK during 1500-1550. In the UK, there is only 1 type of earlier verification mark used, a Crown, in 1495 to met the decreed that the country should have 'standard weights & measures'. Therefore this is a very early example of the UK standard measurement system.

These are a rare UK find, & you seem to have one of the largest examples I have seen.

I think the Archies would be very interested in this, although its unlikely it was used in the same way in the US as the UK, as it was outside of it's control/Authority. Although, it may prove an early trading link with the UK. (although I'm guessing the weight didn't arrive until the 17th C?)

I'm voting BANNER.

If this piece could talk, it would tell of an amazing story of sea adventures, to the 'new world'.
 

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I guess there is a small chance, it came over in the mid-16th C, that would be amazing, don't you think?

'The earliest European explorers—including the Norsemen, who may have reached Cape Cod—made no apparent impact on these Algonkian groups, but in the wake of John and Sebastian Cabot's voyages (1497 and following), fishermen from England, France, Portugal, and Spain began fishing off the Massachusetts coast. By the mid-16th century, they were regularly going ashore to process and pack their catch. Within 50 years, fur trading with the Indians was established.'
 

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I agree with Cru,saw this last night in the what is it forum.It's a good example as well.I was wondering if you found any other finds with it?If it was me I'd try to grind a coil cover off in that area.:laughing7: Seems like a likely spot for other finds to be.
Take Care,
Pete,:hello:
 

Every year on my birthday we venture to this same spot to look. Kind of a tradition. I have found a 1694 William and Mary coin (in terrible condition, but how cool?) and many lead bullets. This is in excellent shape. We have found that the clay in this area keeps items longer (maybe less O2?).

I wanted to send the photos to some of the sites above but I am in the US not UK and it didn't work. The crown is a bit different from the one here UK Finds Database - - - UKDFD but other than that, it looks identical. Any thoughts on who I could sent this photo to for verification?

THanks again for all your help

sjb
 

sjb said:
Every year on my birthday we venture to this same spot to look. Kind of a tradition. I have found a 1694 William and Mary coin (in terrible condition, but how cool?) and many lead bullets. This is in excellent shape. We have found that the clay in this area keeps items longer (maybe less O2?).

I wanted to send the photos to some of the sites above but I am in the US not UK and it didn't work. The crown is a bit different from the one here UK Finds Database - - - UKDFD but other than that, it looks identical. Any thoughts on who I could sent this photo to for verification?

THanks again for all your help

sjb
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I verified it (& so did TK, very good at this period) with my weight book & years of experience finding them, if you think you need an expert for something this simple, (because it screams 16th C to me) & crowns do vary, then try a museum, but you will get the same answer:icon_scratch:

Generally clay is not good on finds, but these were made from high quality metal & if not in ploughed chemical filled land, then this is the normal state.
 

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Crusader- thank you for clarifying that. I guess I meant who at the "Archives" should I contact? It would be great to help piece history together here, I always love that part- isn't that why we hunt? For me it is the history, and as you said, if this weight could talk!

SJB
 

sjb said:
Crusader- thank you for clarifying that. I guess I meant who at the "Archives" should I contact? It would be great to help piece history together here, I always love that part- isn't that why we hunt? For me it is the history, and as you said, if this weight could talk!

SJB
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For a States find, its hard to get an older piece of British History than this.

I don't think you need people to verify it, just a friendly local Archaeologist to record it with. Although I would hold off until you have pounded that place to death.
 

You found one special artifact, not too many 16th century relics that are ID'd positively are found in the US, especially in the artifact category. This does deserve special recognition, due to its rarity, age and no doubt about what it is!

Back in 2007, my son found a very thick, heavy round disk that I posted on What is it, although it was never positively ID'd, it was thought also to be a trade weight. I may repost that one on What is it in hopes of furhter information since we have never got a positive ID (but 90% sure of it being a weight) and the age of it and what the heck the initials on it stand for.

Again, congrats on a great relic find!

Don
 

Very cool find....what part of the US are you from?

After reading what the 'experts' had to say I vote banner.

NJ
 

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