antler pressure flaking artifacts

[GatorBoy]

I have found some antler pressure flaking tools on one of my sites that are always the same section close to the skull. I was hoping someone had the same or knew a bit about why that portion might be preferred. Is that section harder? The larger one appears to have been used for a long time. It has been modified some and is heavily polished on the side that faced the hand

 

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[centfladigger]

a shell plummet was found on Tick Island with the cordage attached showing how it was wrapped, pretty intricate work...WAY too much time involved on these for use as a tool when you can use kings crown and oyster shells that already have the kill hole in it from removing the meat

 

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[centfladigger]

1. as for the busted antler base pieces, I have found dozens of those at my bone site, there they were just discarded, everything else went into use, the antlers for socketed points and billets, antler handles and such

 

[GatorBoy]

Sounds like you're implying that section didn't get used for a flaking tool by anyone. My " busted" pieces have very visible use wear. I offered close ups of the larger one... Can you not see that? Caches Of points have been found in Middens.. that hardly proves they were never used. " just saw your post edit"

 

[GatorBoy]

I've seen alot of antler also. This piece here is polished and worn down by someone's hand.

 

[GatorBoy]

Here is an interesting photo from a rock shelter excavation I found on JSTOR.

 

[GatorBoy]

Oyster shell I'm sure was used. Here are a few examples. I'm not so sure about someone making a hole to kill an oyster before shucking.. its not like they were going to run away.

 

[GatorBoy]

These may qualify as "kill" holes based on their placement.

 

[kuger]

Here ya go Gator.I looked for the rabbit nets but wasnt able to find them.I will continue to look.They would herd rabbits into them annually

 

[GatorBoy]

Now that is cool. It looks like photos of my bowtie weights. Those other artifacts look like loom weights if you ask me.... the drilled ones especially.

 

[GatorBoy]

These are from Europe. The need really determines the manufacture. Wherever you are huh?

 

[GatorBoy]

These are all shell "plummets" from Florida.

 

[kuger]

These are from Europe. The need really determines the manufacture. Wherever you are huh?

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Yep,I doubt these were used on a loom,these Indians were expert basket weavers but didnt use any type of textiles.....that I know of?

 

[GatorBoy]

Seems they would have used cordage of some kind.. if just to bind things like hide. One weight would do the trick for that.

 

[kuger]

Seems they would have used cordage of some kind.. if just to bind things like hide. One weight would do the trick for that.

I was going to ask you that......they did use cordage to make those nets,were those made on a loom?

 

[GatorBoy]

There has been excavations here that have turned up nets, Wooden floats,weights... all still basically attached. The nets were of palm fiber I belive.. the fibers were first twisted into individual threads.. then those threads we're spun together to create a cord. I believe something like that would have been done by using an individual weight.

 

[centfladigger]

like the tunics they found at the Windover site on the east coast. The fibers were of palm and they had shirts woven with 26 strands to the square inch...they knew 8,000 years ago, what they were doing

 

[GatorBoy]

Exactly! The windover site was amazing!

 

[kuger]

Look into the Lovelock Cave site sometime talk about amazing!!I have been inside that cave several times.....

adios I wont be posting in this section any longer!!!!

 

[GatorBoy]

Take care.. H.H.. I will look it up.

 

[NC field hunter]

Funny you say that... they do the same thing here with hard sandstone. that's one of the reasons I don't believe those to be sinkers down here..also if you look closely at that one it is grooved on top and bottom.

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Just tossing an idea or thought at you guys. Why couldn't these two be hafted and used as a hammer or even a club? The presence of a groove on all sides makes me think they were hafted to something strong enough to cause visible wear on the stone. I suppose strong current over time could create wear on stone, but just not likely to me. As Gator mentioned only tribes that held power could access hard stone. This makes me think the stone had something to do with the tribe's power, or was the tribe's power. Even now, power is guarded with weapons. Just a thought. Nice thread! I have read some interesting views here.