And You Think You Know Digging

BioProfessor

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Well, here is a first report on Metal Detecting in the Netherlands. It is WAY different from what I am used to and know how to do. About the only way I'm going to find much is if people throw it at me and I pick it up. I'm not sure if I can do it "Their Way."

I am used to taking my detector to an area and searching probable sites for "good" signals. If the signal warrants it, I dig whatever is causing it and see what I have found. So I am used to searching, getting a good signal, and digging it out. Over here, it is backwards. The land has been sinking for centuries and is still sinking. Many places have had new soil added to them or floods have deposited new soil to the area. There are also no old homesites to hunt. The family is still living in the house built in the 16th century and they don't plan on going anywhere. There are no groves around the farm fields. They butt right up against each other. The crops are in this time of year so I can't walk any plowed fields looking for stuff that has come to the surface.

So what you have to do is look for a piece of ground where something has been torn down. There is no room between houses to search in the cities so the only way ground is exposed is if the house is torn down. In places outside of town, new development opens up new ground to be searched. Once you find this patch of new ground, you have to dig you out a place. Most people like to dig a hole about 3 feet wide and 3-5 feet deep. This removes all the "new" dirt and gets you down to the dirt that was on top of the ground in and around the 16th century. You have no clue if there is anything there because you have no clue as to what may have been there 500 years ago. So you are guided by instinct and luck. Once you have the hole cleaned out, you then start taking out shovel fulls of wet, sticky, clay and try to get it off your shovel. If you can, you then spread out several shovel fulls and then use your metal detector to see if there is anything there. The condition of the soil is such that it limits your metal detector to about half or less of its normal depth so you have to spread out the sticky mess no more than 3 inches thick. Usually there is nothing there, so you take your shovel and remove this clay and dig some more, spread it out and use your detector again. Talking about hard work. Man, it is a killer. Three to four hours of this and you are done. A pretty hard way to try and find something.

You do this in different places and hope you happen upon something somebody dropped centuries ago. Or if you are EXTREMELY lucky, you find the site of an old home or camp. Something where the odds of having something to find are much greater but good luck find this kind of place.

Tot lots are way different here as well. There is no sand or wood chips. The ground is covered in either concrete or brick pavers. No cushioning here if you fall. I guess there aren't as many liability laws. So to search a tot lot is like searching a parking lot. Not much chance of anybody losing anything or you finding anything.

Volleyball courts here are different as well. They put them in parks but not in permanent area. They just decide a place looks good for a court this year and they put about an inch of sand on the grass, put up some nets, and that is the volleyball area for the year. Not easy to lose something in an inch or less of sand. So not much use in detecting there.

I have been to several places that are actively being dug and have found 2 coins in 3 weeks. No modern coins at these places so I can't even count on battery or tram money.

So far I have found an 1869 2 1/2 silver Guilder and a French Jetton (coin-like token used when people didn't know how to count to exchange money for goods. Used sort of like an abacus with the Jettons being the beads and the abacus strings being groves in a table). The Jetton is from the 15th century and like most of them from that period, someone has punched a hole in it. They don't know why this was done. Some people speculate that when people learned to count, the Jettons were worthless and there were a lot of them and they were used as decorations on things. Just nailed up as a way to "pretty up" something. Oh, and by the way. They are worthless now as well. The 2 1/2 Guilder is worth about 15 dollars. Pretty much the going rate for silver. Just not old enough or rare enough. Makes clad look like a gold mine.

Anyway, I'm on lots of Tylenol and can't get too motivated to go dig in 4 foot hole full of muck that may or may not hold anything.

Just be glad you don't have to do it this way. It's a pretty crappy way to try and find something.

Daryl
 

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Hi Folks,

Sorry to take so long to respond but I've been out pretty much every day and it is so exhausting, all I can do is read and post small comments. I'm not scheduled to be at the dig site today until 2pm so I have some time and I got some rest so here goes.

First of all, thanks for the comments. I just wanted to share how different it is over here. It's kind of nutso. I think things may get better. Just not my knees, back, hands, feet. . . .

While I have found some stuff, and it is fun to look for really old stuff, really old stuff is in pretty rough shape most of the time. 600 years in the ground tends to do things. Hard to tell what stuff is sometimes. So yes, I'm looking forward to getting back to the old "hunt the homestead" routine. An yes and IH penny is only 100 years old but you do enjoy finding them.

And "Diggummup" if you could UPS me that machine, I'd be the richest metal detector person over here. The stuff is there, it's just that hand digging doesn't get you much. With that machine and a sifter, I'd clean up. Just in the one big pile we have been digging, there have been 2, 16th century gold coins found that I know of. Since 5-10 people may dig there each day, and have been for about a year, can you imagine what you would get if you could sift the entire pile!!!!

Not teaching here. Had to retire so I just try to keep busy with this. Digging in 4 feet of mud will keep you busy. Today digging, tonight with the linament, tomorrow with the trying to stand up, the next day walk straight again, etc. The randomness is hard to deal with. You know there are things in the ground because of old maps - Roman roads, old building sites, dikes, etc. Problem is they were there 500 years ago, they may be 20 feet to your left every time you dig. Right now I am digging in the cellar of an old house. Down about 4 feet from old basement floor. Finds are from the 15th century right now (identified and dated silver child's ring) so at least it is not in a muddy field hoping I'm in the right spot. I'm in the right spot, problem is, they took out 3-4 feet of dirt before I got there. They said it was full of old plates, cups, bowls, tiles, etc and they threw it away. I am afraid I am under the old house as it existed and am only finding nails and the occasional lost item (ring). Lots of broken tiles, nails, bricks, ets.

We haven't hit any battlefields yet. We did search a wooded park yesterday and found quite a bit of military ammunition both fired and unfired. Some blanks as well. Probably a training ground back then. We are planning a trip to Belgium to look for military stuff. Better stuff. Not buried in 3 feet of muck either.

There aren't many clubs here. I'm searching with a member of one of the existing clubs - 4 members total. I guess the searching is so hard that most people won't do it for the FUN of it. MD and taking away the finds is illegal so maybe the clubs are sort of hidden. Most people I talk to digging in the muck are in it for the money. A whole 16th century tile can bring 200-300 Euros depending on the condition and scene. Gold coins go for several hundred Euros. Pottery, glass, buttons, etc bring pretty good bucks as well. Most of these guys are in their 20's and think the digging is good exercise and a good way to make a little extra money.

I haven't had any problems with the DFX except trying to get it to ground balance in the "Relic" mode on some of the ground. Just doesn't want to do it. The clay is also extremely "dense" in the sense that the depth detection is about half what it is in normal soil. Sometimes, I'm lucky to get 3 inches in the really bad stuff. That's why you have to dig it, spread it out pretty thin and then detect it. If you get a signal and it is more than 4 inches or so, it is either a big piece of lead or a good big silver coin. That's when you spend an hour digging a 3 foot hole trying to find the thing. Most of the time it's lead. Seems like the pinpoint isn't really straight down either. Kind of sideways in the muck sometimes.

Can't wait to hear that pull tab "beep beep" ahh a sound from home.

There a quite a few houses I see from the railroad tracks as I travel and they are the thatched roof kind, still a working farm. Not much for sidewalks and porches. All the land is in crop or holding livestock. From talking with people on the train about them, they say they have been in the same family for hundreds of years and is still farmed essentially the same way. Only now tractors instead of horses. Land and living is so expensive here that they keep the land and income in the family so they can survive. Really hard to strike out on your own in the rural areas. Moving away to the cities is the same here as elsewhere except here many more people seem to like the old farm and its way of like.

As far as I can find out, the Jettons with holes in them are mostly French (?). Go figure. Some sites even say some people use that as a way to identify where it was when it went extinct. Not a practice you can always count on but there are quite a few out there with holes in them and the theories about why are many. All I can find out is that finding a Jetton with a hole in it is not rare. Pretty well worthless anyway so it really doesn't affect value.

Well, got to go dig the basement again. Maybe they are using me as free labor now that I think about it. "Hey, that crazy American wants to dig in our basement for free looking for stuff. All the dirt he digs out, we don't have to. Think I'll have a beer and watch him work."

Here are a few more photos of some interesting stuff found.

If I quit responding, it means my hands don't work anymore. Need a better shovel.

Daryl
 

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What is that coin/token? I collect British & don't reconise it.

About your trip to Belgium, I lived there for 3 years & Metal Detecting is against the Law. Unless they have changed it in the last few years?
 

It appears to be a counter or jeton. Note the words RECH PFENNING and COVNTER on the reverse.
 

Good post Daryl. Whenever anyone sees that I live in Ireland they always assume that its a great place for metal detecting. The fact is that at any old ruins, the site is littered with bottle caps, pull tabs, etc. Because the climate is temperate, the beaches are not great for jewelry either, there are no sun worshipers. Finding a good site takes dilligence, and the willingness to travel a bit, sometimes without finding hardly anything interesting. I'm doing as much next week, 5 days in Listowell in County Kerry, which is part of the Ring of Kerry. It's Irish Writers Week, so I am going to indulge my two favourite hobbies, writing and metal detecing.
Anyway, it sounds like you've had a great trip, have a safe journey home.
 

PBK said:
It appears to be a counter or jeton. Note the words Rech Pfenning on the reverse.

arrr, a German one. Best one I've seen.
 

Yes, MD is against the law in Belgium. Also in the Netherlands. Sort of illegal in England since all finds have to be somehow turned in, shown to, registered with, some agency or official. You may or may not get to keep your finds. So just going out and hunting stuff and putting it in your pocket is illegal (as far as I can tell from the websites I can find). It is also illegal to remove historically significant (artifacts) from most of the EU countries now. So it is technically illegal to MD and put your finds in your luggage for the trip home. It is really about enforcement. I think Belgium is pretty strict. It may be more to do with the chances of you finding a land mine than anything else. I do know that if you go to Belgium, there are places you can hunt without anyone bothering you and others where they will be on you in a heartbeat. I am supposed to go with a person who had a contact there who has been MD for years with lots of buddies. They know the ropes and should keep us out of jail or from getting blown up. Hope it won't be something like. Gee this is a strange sounding sig.........BOOM.

Kind of cool here too. Hope it will warm up so I can hit the beach for modern stuff. No digging in crappy mud. Sun, sand, bikinis, or au naturale. Gotta go.

I think the coin is a Jetton also. I just can't find out much about it. The words "Rech Pfening" have a weird spelling and there is a date on it. Most others don't have dates. I agree it is not a coin per se but why a dated Jetton?

Just got back from digging for about 5 hours. I'll post some more pictures. I'm not trying to turn this into a "Hey look at my slides from my Europe trip and am only going to post interesting things. No Junque or shovel disinterred crape on a white towel. Left it at home.: ;D

Daryl
 

Awesome post and so very true! I have tried the American way of detecting in Germany and it is just very different in Europe and does not work. Everything you say I have speculated about Holland and having visited the country several times I have seen what you mean by hard to find hunting sites. Best bet may be some grass fields that have been mowed down this time of year. I have never found anything worth mentioning in those construction sites. The beaches there are huge but would be fun with a large coil. Congrats on the finds, I have been lucky to find a few Jettons and Rechen Pfennigs, they are nice finds and less of them were made compared to coins. HH and thanks for the post, Mike
 

The Law in the UK is not that you hand everything in. Only that which is over 300 years old & has 10% Gold or Silver content not including single gold & silver coins. Those that you do hand in you normally get back after a year or the market value. Market value being greater than you would ever sell it for. So pretty good really?

Heres my thoughts on the Jetton:

It clearly has Williams name on it with Rex (King) of England. 1689 date ties in with William III & Mary.Note - no picture of Mary like the double headed coins of this date.
However the reverse is of the early Charles II coping his shillings, sixpences etc... William does not have this.

So its a mix of 2 Kings coins.
 

Thanks for the clarification. I guess when I was discussing the issue with a friend in the Netherlands, we were talking coins of the 15th and 16th century which would mean they had to be turned in or it was illegal to keep them. Sorry for the mistake.

So is it unusual to have dated Jettons? Just doesn't seem like I've run across any in my Internet searching. Looks like this Jetton may be a tough one to figure out. Maybe too much information.

Daryl
 

BioProfessor said:
Thanks for the clarification. I guess when I was discussing the issue with a friend in the Netherlands, we were talking coins of the 15th and 16th century which would mean they had to be turned in or it was illegal to keep them. Sorry for the mistake.

So is it unusual to have dated Jettons? Just doesn't seem like I've run across any in my Internet searching. Looks like this Jetton may be a tough one to figure out. Maybe too much information.

Daryl

Never found, seen a dated one not even in my books.

I think it may be a pistol weight or more likely a coin weight (plenty of dated examples). Weigh it & see if it matches any gold coins of that similar date.
 

Hi Professor,

Very interesting and informative post. I enjoyed reading it. Nice pictures.

Your requirments for detecting is severe. All I can say is God Bless You.

Happy Hunting.
 

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