Ancient Celtic bronze bowl?

[NWpickin]

Hey guys any help on this would be greatly appreciated. I've tried for hours online but can't find anything....

Bowl appears to be very old and has a nice patina.....Has detailed Celtic rope design around the edge and has a hallmark which I'm unable to identify (Triangle with 3 point star and O C above).... See picture

Weighs 1lb. 6oz.
Measures: 2.5" tall and 6 3/4" wide

Looks a little rough is some places but overall good shape.

Any ideas on age/maker?

If anyone has a subscription to one of those hallmark lookup sites and can look it up for me that would be awesome.

Thanks

 

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[ARC]

Heh... NW... lol (pm)... by the way check this out... just for a quick look ...
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[villagenut]

One thing that I look for in determining a measure of authenticity is looking at the base of an old artifact. One thing I notice on the OP example is the lack of wear on the base. If were actually as old as it appears, then the base would certainly have rubbing wear especially at the low uneven points(if any). The lines we see on it are uniform, not caused by sliding around on surfaces for 300 + years. Here is an example of shelf life honest wear on a piece of mine that likewise is showing on the example that ARRC linked to. No harm in further asking professionals though, at least it could put the matter to rest if a pro looked at it in person.

 

[ARC]

One thing that I look for in determining a measure of authenticity is looking at the base of an old artifact. One thing I notice on the OP example is the lack of wear on the base. If were actually as old as it appears, then the base would certainly have rubbing wear especially at the low uneven points(if any). The lines we see on it are uniform, not caused by sliding around on surfaces for 300 + years. Here is an example of shelf life honest wear on a piece of mine that likewise is showing on the example that ARRC linked to. No harm in further asking professionals though, at least it could put the matter to rest if a pro looked at it in person.

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AGREED !

And... I also agree with the "lack of wear on base" statement... this was what "threw me" originally as to the age/authenticity ... now.. I have seen a couple of pieces that are extremely old with very little to no wear on base before... this was because they were rarely moved... it was a "stationary" piece.
But this is really rare...
Anyway it was that single fact I mentioned "copy" over and over... BUT keep this also in mind... GOOD copies of things CAN SOMETIMES fetch serious money too.
This is of course... IF it is NOT REAL.
Even real these types of things surprise me all the time... I have seen a 2,000 year old glass bottle sell for 200... and then I have seen a bottle from 1860 sell for 2500
Ya just never know... heck I have seen things like the above mentioned item sell for 5 dollars... and seen the same type/similar item fetch 500 at auction.

 

[CRUSADER]

Nice 20th C tourist bowl, seen modern examples in gift shops in Cornwall. This has none of the characteristics of an Ancient bowl & nothing like any Iron Age (Celtic) person would produce. Its pure fantasy, the modern makers mark (Hallmarks are for silver/gold) is the biggest giveaway.

 

[Doubter in MD]

Nice 20th C tourist bowl, seen modern examples in gift shops in Cornwall. This has none of the characteristics of an Ancient bowl & nothing like any Iron Age (Celtic) person would produce. Its pure fantasy, the modern makers mark (Hallmarks are for silver/gold) is the biggest giveaway.

Can you post pictures of examples? Thanks!

 

[CRUSADER]

Can you post pictures of examples? Thanks!

Is that what you need? LOL

 

[ARC]

Actually I "need" to see em as well before I write this off completely... If it is so common shoot some pics and solve this once and for all then.
A lot of eyes are waiting on this one.

 

[CRUSADER]

Actually I "need" to see em as well before I write this off completely... If it is so common shoot some pics and solve this once and for all then.
A lot of eyes are waiting on this one.

Are they, best you get on the case then. I know the answer.

 

[ARC]

Well yes NWpickin for one set... mine.
Most here still think it is made of brass... when in fact it is obviously bronze... I do not know why people find it hard to believe its bronze... bronze is not much more valuable than brass.
bronze is typically 88% copper and 12% tin... hence the "brownish/redish" tinge... brass always has glint even aged.
For references I will photograph several rare brass objects from ALL time periods all the way back to conquistadors and post it here next to the countless rare bronze items I own as well.
The difference is plain as day.
This is not some dime store brass ashtray ... I do not care what anyone says.
Show me.
P.S> I also do not think it sat next to the holy grail either... but I would be willing to bet it would pull 100-125 U.S. dollars minimum.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

I'm 99% sure this is from the 20th century, but I sure as heck can't find another example of this bowl. EBay, Google image search and so on has gotten zero results. You would think someone would have this exact bowl for sale somewhere!

 

[Doubter in MD]

Is that what you need? LOL

I know I don't need condescending responses.

 

[CRUSADER]

I know I don't need condescending responses.

I caught your comment after the pub(Sorry),but it makes me laugh when on here people don't believe without a picture on the internet.(Life did exist before) That's not just you its many on here. I generally don't waste time searching for these types of objects, if it were an ancient artefact I would do a little more digging because I would know where to look & the parameters of my search.
Here are my further thoughts;
Its 20th C, but might narrow down to the Arts & Crafts period of 1900-1940. Although not strickly in that organic style, it could have been inspired by it as the Celtic people are known for the Earth/Nature Gods.
It could be very hard to find an exact match because:
We don't know the Country of origin (We could assume, Ireland, South West Of England, Wales or Scotland) However, many Countries were inspired by the Celtic Knot Design.
It was most likely produced in a small Foundry or by a talanted individual. The makers mark is not well known.
Which means the production numbers were low, & ARRC assumption that its 'common shoot' would be wrong.
Therefore, you're looking for a picture that may not exist or if it does you know none of the parameters to search under. That is why I won't be wasting my tme looking, but sometimes my IDs have helped those with more time to hunt it down. Good Luck.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

I caught your comment after the pub, it makes me laugh when on here people don't believe without a picture on the internet.

I can usually find a photo of just about anything posted here. That doesn't mean it's old or rare, but it does mean that it's not some Chinese knockoff from the last 50 years.

 

[CRUSADER]

I can usually find a photo of just about anything posted here. That doesn't mean it's old or rare, but it does mean that it's not some Chinese knockoff from the last 50 years.

Like I stated in the full comments, your free to try, I'm not wasting time looking, I rarely do. If its Ancient that's a different matter. I never said Chinese, & never thought it, I actually said CORNWALL. This area is known for these types of objects, they are sold in small shops, many of them either were before the internet or are too small to have a website presence. The items are often locally hand crafted in small numbers for tourists. If you still like your odds keep looking, I will be pleased for you to put it to bed for me, well more for the OP.