Abolish Property Taxes? FL Gov DeSantis Endorses Idea

[Treasure_Hunter]

If thread becomes political I will move it to politics.

Abolish property taxes? DeSantis endorses the idea and explains how it could be done in Florida​

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis endorsed the idea of abolishing property taxes throughout the Sunshine State, but explained that it would require a constitutional amendment.

The governor, who is currently serving his second term after a decisive re-election victory in Florida's 2022 gubernatorial contest, was responding to someone on X who advocated abolishing property taxes in the state and asked what would need to be done to make that happen.

"Property taxes are local, not state. So we’d need to do a constitutional amendment (requires 60% of voters to approve) to eliminate them (which I would support) or even to reform/lower them," DeSantis noted.
"We should put the boldest amendment on the ballot that has a chance of getting that 60%," he continued.

"I agree that taxing land/property is the more oppressive and ineffective form of taxation," the governor added

Abolish property taxes? DeSantis endorses the idea and explains how it could be done in Florida (Fox News)

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis endorsed the idea of abolishing property taxes throughout the Sunshine State, but explained that it would require a constitutional ...

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[Gene Mean]

I didn't watch the video. Property taxes here in NJ mainly(75%) go to our local school district. Where would the money come from in the proposal?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I didn't watch the video. Property taxes here in NJ mainly(75%) go to our local school district. Where would the money come from in the proposal?

Tourist taxes, and sales taxes. Would be my off the cuff guess without researching.

We also have Homestead exemption, Homestead exemption is $25,000 deducted from your assessed value before the taxes are calculated plus an additional homestead exemption up to $25,000 applied to the assessed value above $50,000.

 

[robertk]

As long as property taxes exist, you do not really own your property.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Orlando had 74 million tourists in 2023. Add $10.00 tourists tax to each park ticket would generate close to $1 billion a year, .

Florida has a tourist tax on hotel rooms per night of up to 6% max by law, each city or county decides what tax rate is from 1%-6%. An increase in the tourists tax in hotel and motels would generate more.

 

[ToddsPoint]

I’m in IL with very high property taxes. My rural road is terrible and I feel like I get very little for my taxes. I’m paying for schools and have no kids in school. The tax money collected is not distributed fairly.

 

[Limitool]

I’m in IL with very high property taxes. My rural road is terrible and I feel like I get very little for my taxes. I’m paying for schools and have no kids in school. The tax money collected is not distributed fairly.

Same here with me. Why do property owners have to fund schools? And if I don't pay they'll take my property and home. So who owns it...?

 

[releventchair]

Same here with me. Why do property owners have to fund schools? And if I don't pay they'll take my property and home. So who owns it...?

School equals or exceeds all the rest of my taxes.
And on my non-homestead land I keep expecting the higher special ed. rates to produce the next president or something. Alas I just see new bills.
No I'm not wealthy because I live in a shack and own a couple parcels that have been a pig in a poke for multiple past owners. Let go for taxes (let's feign surprise) at least once as it has limited use despite the tax classification options appearing otherwise.
But my taxes say Non homestead property is the one to go after for new millages.

 

[sprailroad]

I’m in IL with very high property taxes. My rural road is terrible and I feel like I get very little for my taxes. I’m paying for schools and have no kids in school. The tax money collected is not distributed fairly.

Not only have no kids in school, I've never had kids. The biggest part of my property tax is "schools". I grow a little weary of "Pay your fair share" thing. How about a school tax refund?

 

[SD51]

People with kids also get a federal tax break. I had no kids and I should get even a bigger tax break instead of nothing!

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Never happen around here. The towns rely on property taxes to pay for everything from maintaining schools and roads to paying the DPW workers salaries. They're way too dependent on it to even reduce the property taxes, not to mention get rid of them.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

School equals or exceeds all the rest of my taxes.
And on my non-homestead land I keep expecting the higher special ed. rates to produce the next president or something. Alas I just see new bills.
No I'm not wealthy because I live in a shack and own a couple parcels that have been a pig in a poke for multiple past owners. Let go for taxes (let's feign surprise) at least once as it has limited use despite the tax classification options appearing otherwise.
But my taxes say Non homestead property is the one to go after for new millages.

Ditto on school taxes, take the biggest bite far and away. I give over $2 grand/yr for the schools and have no one in attendance. They won a big referendum for school facility improvement project ($18 million) which included a big fitness center/ indoor multipurpose training facility. Which us residents can use ( drive 14 miles to get there) with restrictions, at certain times if we pay a hefty use fee. Didn't I already pay to build it? Less than 10k peeps in the district, less than 1k students preK-12.

The county won funding for new justice center ($26 million), and another similar amount for a new HWY dept. Less that 30k residents. So how much do I owe for these things? We didn't need the fancy jail/court. <90% of those drunks are on work release and could have been housed is some sort of dorm barn situation. They walk out to work 5 days a week anyway, where is the security need?

All that stuff now has to be maintained and operated with annual costs all of which are on top of what was the case before.

Then, compounding the issue with astronomical valuations they claim for the properties, leading to those tax payment confiscations you speak of. I have devised a method to thwart that. Every tax appraisal should be a legal non revocable offer to purchase by the gov. Too high, force them to buy it from you and immediately auction it. You buy it back at the county liquidation sale for less never having to have vacated. You profit. Only risk is someone thinks it is worth more than the county says ( unlikely) and you sold it for more than you thought it was worth.

 

[releventchair]

Ditto on school taxes, take the biggest bite far and away. I give over $2 grand/yr for the schools and have no one in attendance. They won a big referendum for school facility improvement project ($18 million) which included a big fitness center/ indoor multipurpose training facility. Which us residents can use ( drive 14 miles to get there) with restrictions, at certain times if we pay a hefty use fee. Didn't I already pay to build it? Less than 10k peeps in the district, less than 1k students preK-12.

The county won funding for new justice center ($26 million), and another similar amount for a new HWY dept. Less that 30k residents. So how much do I owe for these things? We didn't need the fancy jail/court. <90% of those drunks are on work release and could have been housed is some sort of dorm barn situation. They walk out to work 5 days a week anyway, where is the security need?

All that stuff now has to be maintained and operated with annual costs all of which are on top of what was the case before.

Then, compounding the issue with astronomical valuations they claim for the properties, leading to those tax payment confiscations you speak of. I have devised a method to thwart that. Every tax appraisal should be a legal non revocable offer to purchase by the gov. Too high, force them to buy it from you and immediately auction it. You buy it back at the county liquidation sale for less never having to have vacated. You profit. Only risk is someone thinks it is worth more than the county says ( unlikely) and you sold it for more than you thought it was worth.

I offered to sell the township supervisor the assessors value claimed before.
He didn't take the offer.
At least the place would have been worth the appraisal if he had!
offered another board a tour of properties that are mostly too wet to walk on.
I'm not in the ownership position due to being a birdwatcher from satellite view.
What can't be walked on is taxed as what? My choice is to appeal to the county about classifications. At which point it suddenly isn't a township thing when I am seated with the township board.


When everyone utilizes services and resources then bill everyone equally. Yes that charges the non child parent for schools as much as the pedestrian uber rider Amish electrician for more road funds.
What does the guy (not me!) who pays tens of thousands get for service that someone not paying anything gets?
I don't ask for funds to plow our road but guess who is light again; the rental property or the rest?
A private road.
Dirt because the county does not maintain it or liability for repair arises. Yet the county demands use when desired. Funny how that works.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

I offered to sell the township supervisor the assessors value claimed before.
He didn't take the offer.
At least the place would have been worth the appraisal if he had!
offered another board a tour of properties that are mostly too wet to walk on.
I'm not in the ownership position due to being a birdwatcher from satellite view.
What can't be walked on is taxed as what? My choice is to appeal to the county about classifications. At which point it suddenly isn't a township thing when I am seated with the township board.


When everyone utilizes services and resources then bill everyone equally. Yes that charges the non child parent for schools as much as the pedestrian uber rider Amish electrician for more road funds.
What does the guy (not me!) who pays tens of thousands get for service that someone not paying anything gets?
I don't ask for funds to plow our road but guess who is light again; the rental property or the rest?
A private road.
Dirt because the county does not maintain it or liability for repair arises. Yet the county demands use when desired. Funny how that works.

I sympathize. What did you mean to imply about rentals?

 

[releventchair]

I sympathize. What did you mean to imply about rentals?

Rentals or renters?
One renter treated it like he cared. In about twenty years only one other seemed to.
From stray fowl mingling with fowl on other property and everything killed after multiple complaints to be followed with more again. To stuff in the shed in the middle of the night.
To well; if we pile garbage behind the shed it saves paying for trash service.
Road gets repaired plowed or graded or touched up near main road guess who tears it up
yet doesn't do any work on it. ( Usually the same source. )
As a rental the landlord is a special case. Not that he represents anyone else. (!)
I guess that's what I imply.
The first great renter stops by every now and then still. the landlord hasn't in years.

But to get a more accurate idea you'd want to talk to the rental neighbors.
Stand back a ways from the nearest to me though.

As per taxes , that's on the landlord.
Some renters can deduct a portion of the taxes on a property.

The Complete Guide To Rental Property Taxes – Landlord Studio

Understanding rental property taxes is essential if you want to operate a profitable rental property portfolio.

www.landlordstudio.com

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Rentals or renters?
One renter treated it like he cared. In about twenty years only one other seemed to.
From stray fowl mingling with fowl on other property and everything killed after multiple complaints to be followed with more again. To stuff in the shed in the middle of the night.
To well; if we pile garbage behind the shed it saves paying for trash service.
Road gets repaired plowed or graded or touched up near main road guess who tears it up
yet doesn't do any work on it. ( Usually the same source. )
As a rental the landlord is a special case. Not that he represents anyone else. (!)
I guess that's what I imply.
The first great renter stops by every now and then still. the landlord hasn't in years.

But to get a more accurate idea you'd want to talk to the rental neighbors.
Stand back a ways from the nearest to me though.

As per taxes , that's on the landlord.
Some renters can deduct a portion of the taxes on a property.

The Complete Guide To Rental Property Taxes – Landlord Studio

Understanding rental property taxes is essential if you want to operate a profitable rental property portfolio.

www.landlordstudio.com

Looks like I inadvertently teased something out of you, and that you will carry that weight a long time.

Doesn't seem as if you were either the landlord or the tenant of topic. Neighbors?

 

[releventchair]

Looks like I inadvertently teased something out of you, and that you will carry that weight a long time.

Doesn't seem as if you were either the landlord or the tenant of topic. Neighbors?

Rental house yep. You care what's on my road? Defend renters that don't care and tell their neghbors to not be Karens? C'mon over.


I rented at 18. Rented part of a farm and a house on it.
Nothing against it today when I'm not doing it..

Renters don't contribute anything I know of here on the road.
They do piss of the people next to them.
Kids tossing stuff over the fence. Teasing the dogs. Day them dogs breech the fence it's going to be a bummer.
And the garbage behind the shed along the property line. And the noise.
Their cats will chew through a garbage bag. I have to hide mine before the trip to the main road where I keep the trash can. I put a bag out tonight not off the ground because the tramp needs shoveled. I put the rest out yesterday for tomorrows pick up at main road. Being I don't walk the bag here will wait until I leave in a vehicle. Which also won't be tonight.
So we'll see in the morning if it survives the night.
But then where did the cats learn to eat through trash bags? Ya. We know. Being they perch on trash down there for more reason that it's being fluffy.

I haven't heard humans fighting down there for a while but our doors and windows are closed in winter . Same with cat fights. They do still shit under my ramp and in the tarp shed though.(the cats do.)
We have to watch that the dogs don't grab any turds.



There was a petition going around regarding property taxes a while back.
I know where to look at a business a ways away for the details of a timeline goal I don't recall.
I should stop and get an update. Might have been a ballot proposal/ proposition.

 

[sprailroad]

What I was saying as well as to "School" taxes, two houses next door to each other, identical in every way, have the same value, taxed at the same rate. One family has 4 kids in public school, the other has 1 in public school. Is one underpaying or is the other overpaying. No "Fair share" there, the school portion of the property tax is only based on what you live in? Just by even "asking" this before, I was accused of "Hating children". It will never change of course. I mean here, where I live, the water company charges me for the water that runs off my roof when it rains, based I would guess on the square footage of my roof. I should tell them that when it does rain, it does not rain on MY roof, only on the neighbors houses. Anyway, I need my therapy time, need to go out and swing a coil for awhile...

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

What I was saying as well as to "School" taxes, two houses next door to each other, identical in every way, have the same value, taxed at the same rate. One family has 4 kids in public school, the other has 1 in public school. Is one underpaying or is the other overpaying. No "Fair share" there, the school portion of the property tax is only based on what you live in? Just by even "asking" this before, I was accused of "Hating children". It will never change of course. I mean here, where I live, the water company charges me for the water that runs off my roof when it rains, based I would guess on the square footage of my roof. I should tell them that when it does rain, it does not rain on MY roof, only on the neighbors houses. Anyway, I need my therapy time, need to go out and swing a coil for awhile...

How do they charge for rain water? In a metered sewer system?

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Rental house yep. You care what's on my road? Defend renters that don't care and tell their neghbors to not be Karens? C'mon over.


I rented at 18. Rented part of a farm and a house on it.
Nothing against it today when I'm not doing it..

Renters don't contribute anything I know of here on the road.
They do piss of the people next to them.
Kids tossing stuff over the fence. Teasing the dogs. Day them dogs breech the fence it's going to be a bummer.
And the garbage behind the shed along the property line. And the noise.
Their cats will chew through a garbage bag. I have to hide mine before the trip to the main road where I keep the trash can. I put a bag out tonight not off the ground because the tramp needs shoveled. I put the rest out yesterday for tomorrows pick up at main road. Being I don't walk the bag here will wait until I leave in a vehicle. Which also won't be tonight.
So we'll see in the morning if it survives the night.
But then where did the cats learn to eat through trash bags? Ya. We know. Being they perch on trash down there for more reason that it's being fluffy.

I haven't heard humans fighting down there for a while but our doors and windows are closed in winter . Same with cat fights. They do still shit under my ramp and in the tarp shed though.(the cats do.)
We have to watch that the dogs don't grab any turds.



There was a petition going around regarding property taxes a while back.
I know where to look at a business a ways away for the details of a timeline goal I don't recall.
I should stop and get an update. Might have been a ballot proposal/ proposition.

You have a bad neighbor issue, not a tax problem

They actually pay taxes just like owners, only it passes through the landlord as a biz expense. I have never heard of any landlord that donates the taxes and takes a loss for it. The entire PITI is in the rent along with other expenses and 'maybe' some profits.

Perfectly reasonable for profits to be low because the 'P' is building wealth, and owner might not want to be taxed now on profits @ his current income situation, or he doesn't have enough equity yet to make profit taking feasible at the market rate for rents.

About that invitation to visit.... will there be drinks and Hors d'Oeuvres ?

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