A word about the Fake or Real closed post ...

[woodstock]

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers cause I've read this post before and it still puzzles me why we need to "walk on eggshells" when giving our opinions as long as they are not met to discriminate the poster and are met to inform .
The poster has to expect this from time to time and it shouldn't cause the members who reply to worry about what they said because the question was asked by the member who posted it . Sometimes it might NOT be what they want to hear but it needs to be addressed anyways . I'd rather hear everyone's opinions good or bad then have them do a "dance" around the facts .
Whenever I reply to a post I try to be honest and factual and even if it's not what the poster wants to hear they need to get all the facts as long as it's respectful and factual . I guess what I should say is if you ask for opinions then you should be ready to hear the facts .. good or bad ... after all , you asked ....
Please don't get me wrong and please if you read this and have something to ad that follows or maybe helps then ad to the thread cause I only want to "vent" the problems I see with the question "Real or Fake" ... that's all ..e'nuff said ... Woodstock

 

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[Iron Patch]

There's a big difference between someone posting real items to deceive, and a genuine post of a find that is fake. (modern reproduction) For this reason we should refer to "fake finds" as fake posts to keep things clear. Where the trouble starts is when someone posts real items that don't look dug (fake posts) because you're always going to have supporters on both sides. But in the other case when someone posts a fake item, the item should be ID'ed as such and it would be stupid to say anything other than that. If the poster can't handle the opinions of what people believe to be the truth that is his/her problem.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

The problem is a member calls something fake based on a picture, if a member can prove to us a find is fake there is no issue, saying someing is fake with out being able to prove it violates our rules so if someone is going to call a find or post fake they better be prapared to prove it to Mods beyond all shadow of a doubt.

There have been finds or post that were proven fake and we took extreme action, but calling something fake just because someone doesnt think it is real is not proff it is just their opinion.....

"Don't attack, provoke, insult, or deliberately offend anyone"..... Attacking someones post and find falls under this rule among others....

 

[Iron Patch]

The problem is a member calls something fake based on a picture, if a member can prove to us a find is fake there is no issue, saying someing is fake with out being able to prove it violates our rules so if someone is going to call a find or post fake they better be prapared to prove it to Mods beyond all shadow of a doubt.

There have been finds or post that were proven fake and we took extreme action, but calling something fake just because someone doesnt think it is real is not proff it is just their opinion.....

"Don't attack, provoke, insult, or deliberately offend anyone"..... Attacking someones post and find falls under this rule among others....

I never see issues with people calling modern items fake when they are, because it's usually obvious to everyone, or enough people. When they are contemporary counterfeit that creates more of a discussion, but rarely ever turns negative. So to me it doesn't make sense to group a fake find with a fake post, because one isn't usually even a spark while the other is a firestorm. Two completely different things.

 

[vpnavy]

Actually, I for one like this Forums policy woodstock. Since I have absolutely no life - I particpate in many different Forums. You think you are on eggshells here - you haven't a clue what walking on eggshells feels like on some Forums on the net.

The wonderful thing about the net is if you have a problem - you can just remove the bookmark and move on. I have done that a few times in the past year. Anyway, that IMHO - which I have proven many times means nothing!

 

[Silver Searcher]

It looks like, It might be, I don't think it's real....are all good words to use.

SS

 

[kuger]

If its about the Capped Bust Half(which I dont care f its counterfeit or not at this point)I still say a period counterfeit is of more significance historically than the real deal,and I would rather dig a counterfeit over the real deal anyday

 

[woodstock]

I fully understand that some members might use "harsh" wording by calling a item "fake" . But the wording of a reply then becomes a question of speech . And it shouldn't become a speech issue or a wording issue and I feel it is wrong to regulate speech by threatening punishment because it's our first Amendment right .
I know that many people have speech issues and it seems that it should be fully understood that if you ask a question your also asking for a reply even if you disagree or find your answer disappointing to read . That being said I feel that your choice of words when calling a item "fake" means the same as a "counterfeit" or "reproduction" or "copy" . These words are not met to "discriminate" but to "describe" what you've seen in the post and from your own personal experience with items like the ones that are being asked about . We shouldn't have to "sugar coat" ours answers as long as they are in line with the subject and are based on fact .
But it seems that by regulating our wording or speech it causes more "harm" than good "when" you seek a truthful answer . I'd rather read an "honest answer" when I ask for information . I guess I could say if you don't want to read everyone's opinions and only the one's you like then the answer your seeking is biased and will not help you to read the truth . Seeing that if you can't base your answers on a picture then why bother asking the question to begin with ?
This is very confusing to me and I'm willing to bet others feel the same way . I will continue answering truthfully and respectfully and if that becomes a issue in the future , so be it .... I'll cross that bridge when it starts to burn ... IMHO , Woodstock

 

[Iron Patch]

I fully understand that some members might use "harsh" wording by calling a item "fake" . But the wording of a reply then becomes a question of speech . And it shouldn't become a speech issue or a wording issue and I feel it is wrong to regulate speech by threatening punishment because it's our first Amendment right .
I know that many people have speech issues and it seems that it should be fully understood that if you ask a question your also asking for a reply even if you disagree or find your answer disappointing to read . That being said I feel that your choice of words when calling a item "fake" means the same as a "counterfeit" or "reproduction" or "copy" . These words are not met to "discriminate" but to "describe" what you've seen in the post and from your own personal experience with items like the ones that are being asked about . We shouldn't have to "sugar coat" ours answers as long as they are in line with the subject and are based on fact .
But it seems that by regulating our wording or speech it causes more "harm" than good "when" you seek a truthful answer . I'd rather read an "honest answer" when I ask for information . I guess I could say if you don't want to read everyone's opinions and only the one's you like then the answer your seeking is biased and will not help you to read the truth . Seeing that if you can't base your answers on a picture then why bother asking the question to begin with ?
This is very confusing to me and I'm willing to bet others feel the same way . I will continue answering truthfully and respectfully and if that becomes a issue in the future , so be it .... I'll cross that bridge when it starts to burn ... IMHO , Woodstock

A big part of the problem is many who detect wear rose colored glasses when it comes to their finds and they just don't seem to be able to keep an open mind. Then they will get offended, but why is that? I think it's because deep down they also have the same type of doubt but don't want to go there because it will ruin a good find. What's even worst than those people are the ones who will defend to no end, even if they find out the truth in person from someone they consider an expert, they'll never post the result. I honestly don't get these personality types because what's the sense of cheating yourself. The first thing I do when I find something that I think could be a good find is try to prove it otherwise.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I fully understand that some members might use "harsh" wording by calling a item "fake" . But the wording of a reply then becomes a question of speech . And it shouldn't become a speech issue or a wording issue and I feel it is wrong to regulate speech by threatening punishment because it's our first Amendment right .
I know that many people have speech issues and it seems that it should be fully understood that if you ask a question your also asking for a reply even if you disagree or find your answer disappointing to read . That being said I feel that your choice of words when calling a item "fake" means the same as a "counterfeit" or "reproduction" or "copy" . These words are not met to "discriminate" but to "describe" what you've seen in the post and from your own personal experience with items like the ones that are being asked about . We shouldn't have to "sugar coat" ours answers as long as they are in line with the subject and are based on fact .
But it seems that by regulating our wording or speech it causes more "harm" than good "when" you seek a truthful answer . I'd rather read an "honest answer" when I ask for information . I guess I could say if you don't want to read everyone's opinions and only the one's you like then the answer your seeking is biased and will not help you to read the truth . Seeing that if you can't base your answers on a picture then why bother asking the question to begin with ?
This is very confusing to me and I'm willing to bet others feel the same way . I will continue answering truthfully and respectfully and if that becomes a issue in the future , so be it .... I'll cross that bridge when it starts to burn ... IMHO , Woodstock

Woodstock, as stated many times on the free speech issue, TreasureNet is a private forum with public access.....If I own a private resturant, someone enters and starts talking loud, arguing, cursing or anything else that disturbs my other guests, the owner has the right to tell them to leave.... That is a right that comes before your 1st amendment right since it is a private business....

Our rules are clear ...."Don't attack, provoke, insult, or deliberately offend anyone".....

Iron Patch, I think you and mods are on the same page though...If someone posts a find and it is a old fake coin from years ago, telling them it is a fake coin is not an issue. Someone posts a find and telling them you don't think they found it is an issue and against our rules unless you can prove it to the mods and "someone's opinion, or gut feeling" is NOT proof, we require proof.... We have given extended timouts to members who posted fake finds in the past and it was proven.....

 

[Davers]

In nearly every part of life these day's ,One is forced to" walk on eggshells" be it MOST of my family members or even in public where every word spoken can be taken as offensive or racist etc.. IMO people are too thin skinned due to the wussafacation of America.

 

[DigitNY]

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers cause I've read this post before and it still puzzles me why we need to "walk on eggshells" when giving our opinions as long as they are not met to discriminate the poster and are met to inform .
The poster has to expect this from time to time and it shouldn't cause the members who reply to worry about what they said because the question was asked by the member who posted it . Sometimes it might NOT be what they want to hear but it needs to be addressed anyways . I'd rather hear everyone's opinions good or bad then have them do a "dance" around the facts .
Whenever I reply to a post I try to be honest and factual and even if it's not what the poster wants to hear they need to get all the facts as long as it's respectful and factual . I guess what I should say is if you ask for opinions then you should be ready to hear the facts .. good or bad ... after all , you asked ....
Please don't get me wrong and please if you read this and have something to ad that follows or maybe helps then ad to the thread cause I only want to "vent" the problems I see with the question "Real or Fake" ... that's all ..e'nuff said ... Woodstock

Seems logical to me, There's a lot of feathers getting ruffled for nothing, I guess being from NY I'm used to strangers being honest (real honest) about opinions. You need to hear every side, it makes you a better person or MD'er.. Thanx for posting

 

[woodstock]

I fully understand and ...

for the sake of this discussion I need to make this perfectly clear ... Yes , you have the right to do whatever pleases's you ... that's fine with me . Now here's my point that you seem to not see . By answering a post asking for verification of ANY kind I'm NOT attacking , provoking , insulting , or deliberately offending ANYONE , period . I'm simply using applied knowledge to help answer a question that was publicly posted , period . Now if I deliberately answer the member with the INTENT of Attacking , Provoking , Insulting or Offending then I broke your rules . Your talking about a VERY thin line when I can clearly understand your rules and you understand them differently . Simply put again , I would NEVER just do anything your rules say to another member BUT I will answer them to the best of my knowledge to HELP the member in their quest for the truth and that's all I will ever do . I know that this is a touchy subject but it still bewilders me how to answer anyone's inquiry's . Cause if being humble and telling them I question the authenticity of whatever object is shown in the posted picture what and how are we able to answer them at all ? Lie ?Let it be know to you and all our fine members that I understand the rules of the forum and will never answer "out of line" to anyone . It just puts a collar on giving a "Honest Answer" for fear of being accused of breaking the rules . I also think it a good subject to bring up now and then so we all know where we stand . I will remain puzzled on how to honestly answering a post , being honest about my gut feeling's without offending the poster ... Thanks to you and all the other mod's and member's here at TreasureNet and Happy Trails to All ! Woodstock

Woodstock, as stated many times on the free speech issue, TreasureNet is a private forum with public access.....If I own a private resturant, someone enters and starts talking loud, arguing, cursing or anything else that disturbs my other guests, the owner has the right to tell them to leave.... That is a right that comes before your 1st amendment right since it is a private business.... Our rules are clear ...."Don't attack, provoke, insult, or deliberately offend anyone"..... Iron Patch, I think you and mods are on the same page though...If someone posts a find and it is a old fake coin from years ago, telling them it is a fake coin is not an issue. Someone posts a find and telling them you don't think they found it is an issue and against our rules unless you can prove it to the mods and "someone's opinion, or gut feeling" is NOT proof, we require proof.... We have given extended timouts to members who posted fake finds in the past and it was proven.....

 

[recondigger]

I'm getting the pop corn out for this thread it's better than jersey shore

Scouts out!

 

[woodstock]

Actually, I for one like this Forums policy woodstock. Since I have absolutely no life - I particpate in many different Forums. You think you are on eggshells here - you haven't a clue what walking on eggshells feels like on some Forums on the net.

The wonderful thing about the net is if you have a problem - you can just remove the bookmark and move on. I have done that a few times in the past year. Anyway, that IMHO - which I have proven many times means nothing!

It's NOT the policy or rules of this great forum vpnavy ... it's the clarification of who the policy and rules are carried out and how to provide the proper answers . It doesn't seem to me that giving a honest answer to a members post is attacking them in ANY way as long as you answer them with respect ... Maybe it's the way you like it and it has worked for me so far, but UNLESS I purposely answered to offed then I should be able to answer the way I see it , after all they asked the question and if they worry that someone might not see it there way why bother asking ? Woodstock

 

[gleaner1]

I can smell a rat a mile away.

 

[woodstock]

I just wanted to take the time to thank everyone who has added to this tread properly and respectfully even if we are not on the same page before this thread get's closed . I might just have to accept being in the "gray area" when it comes to this subject and ever casting doubt when I see it needs it even if they ask . It's not worth the risk if it's taken the wrong way .. IMHO ... Happy Trails , Woodstock

 

[Terry Soloman]

Real, or fake?

 

[Iron Patch]

Real, or fake?

That's a call that should only be made hands on.

 

[recondigger]

Ummmm they look real to me

Scouts out!