a ton of information on the mandan artifacts

[larson1951]

several years ago a street was re done on the east side of mandan when it was discovered that the east portion of mandan was built on top of an old village site
it was extensively excavated and studied by the ND state historical dept
it was named 'scattered village'
here is a link to the study

NDDOT - Scattered Village Report

for those of you that have received some artifacts from me you can learn much about them by this read
it is divided into many sections and has many pictures and information and all the artifacts are exactly the same as what
Twitko and myself have shared with you by our posts and by gifting in the mail to our tnet friends
if you have received bone or flint, or pottery items from us you can find them by going to this site

 

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[ncnurseryman]

Are these the same Mandans (as in the same region) that Lewis and Clark sintered with in 1805?

Or to be more precise. Is the town of Mandan anywhere near the Mandan village written about in the journals? That's for the link. It wants to down load the text which is okay so I'll need to check it out on my pc verses my wife's kindle.

 

[larson1951]

Are these the same Mandans (as in the same region) that Lewis and Clark sintered with in 1805?

Or to be more precise. Is the town of Mandan anywhere near the Mandan village written about in the journals? That's for the link. It wants to down load the text which is okay so I'll need to check it out on my pc verses my wife's kindle.

yep........the mandans along the missouri river are the same as lewis and clark visited when they came up the missouri river......i thought 1804 but yup they are the same


the answer to your 2nd question is yes

if you look at all my posts you will see that my artifacts are the same as the ones at scattered village......but from a different site....still mandan

 

[monsterrack]

That is a lot of great info on all kinds of artifactsThanks for posting

 

[VERDE]

Hey larson1951!! Thanks for information Steve, quite interesting!! Hope you guys are doing OK with all of the Balmy weather we are having!! It was down in the teens last week and all of the interstates were shut down!! But I suppose yall don't have that problem up North!! He He!! Anyway HAPPY MARDI GRAIS!! GOOD LUCK and GOOD HUNTING!! VERDE!!

 

[GatorBoy]

Great link thanks

 

[fongu]

Thanks for this link. Hope to check it out tomorrow.

 

[old digger]

Wonder what happened to all the artifacts that they collected? I didn't see any photos of any of the items that they collected.

 

[Tnmountains]

I am not sure people realize the significance of that site and it's transition. Great history Stevie. I am always humbled when studying your culture and that so much survived. You are da man!!

 

[larson1951]

Wonder what happened to all the artifacts that they collected? I didn't see any photos of any of the items that they collected.

hey hey digger my good friend, lookie here: look at ALL of #'s 11, 12, and 13 for example......you will see a terrible lot of images of the same kinda artifacts that you picked up right out of our site last fall........ you can see a picture of every kind of tool and point that you and yours have found .....there are thousand's of pictures there


Chapters

1. SITE DESCRIPTION AND PREVIOUS INVESTIGATIONS2. FIELD INVESTIGATIONS3. RESEARCH DESIGN4. COLLECTION PROCESSING, SAMPLING, AND DATA BASES5. SITE CHRONOLOGY AND ANALYTIC UNITS6. FAUNAL ANALYSIS OF UNMODIFIED LARGER MAMMEL REMAINS7. FISH, AMPHIBIAN, REPTILE, AND BIRD REMAINS8. INVENTORY AND ANALYSIS of RODENT, INSECTIVORE, AND BAT CRANIAL ELEMENTS9. PLANTS USED BY THE OCCUPANTS OF SCATTERED VILLAGE10.UNMODIFIED MUSSEL SHELL REMAINS11.POTTERY ANALYSIS12.STONE TOOLS AND FLAKING DEBRIS13.MODIFIED BONE and ANTLER REMAINS14.FOSSIL AND MODIFIED SHELL REMAINS15.TRADE ARTIFACT ANALYSIS

 

[painterx7]

Larson you sure come up with a ton of really good information thanks for the read boss !!!!!

 

[RGINN]

Great link thanks. I haven't read it all yet, and this may seem like an off the wall type question, but has there been any DNA studies conducted on Mandan remains?

 

[old digger]

Thanks for taking the time to present this very interesting article.

Still curious if any of those artifacts are presented to the public for viewing

 

[larson1951]

Thanks for taking the time to present this very interesting article.

Still curious if any of those artifacts are presented to the public for viewing

you know dennis after talking to you last night i remembered that the mandan public library on main street in mandan by
that motel you stayed at has fairly large display of
artifacts found in the scattered village dig
i will try to find you some pictures
as far as the rest of what was found i think it is any ones guess as to where the rest of the stuff ended up

 

[larson1951]

here are some pictures that i took at the display at the mandan library

 

[old digger]

WOW! Steve, you really went out of your way and got those pictures. Thank You!

I do have a couple of questions, did you see any of those ''plastic culture'' artifacts?

 

[old digger]

And the other question, what are these, and what were they used for?

 

[larson1951]

hey hey dennis
i still don't know what them polished plastic looking things are......and nobody else does either
in the last 25 years or so we found probably close to 3 dozen of them.....

most of those bone pieces are actually elk horn bracelets, necklaces, and ornaments....the one on the front left is a small wrist guard type of thing but most wrist guards were actually wider
elk horn lent itself to the bracelet making cuz it would spit into strips rather than having to take bone and cut it....the strips were boiled in buffalo fat which would make them curl

i think i have more pictures but i got tired of posting them.....i gotta figure out a quicker way to post them

 

[larson1951]

Great link thanks. I haven't read it all yet, and this may seem like an off the wall type question, but has there been any DNA studies conducted on Mandan remains?

hey thanks, i don't know about any dna results but i have read a lot of things that said they have maybe some welchdna
as some of the mandans had blond hair and blue eyes, and light skin (not a joke)
also those round boats made of buffalo hide covering a wood frame are the same as the welch round boats

 

[larson1951]

Great link thanks. I haven't read it all yet, and this may seem like an off the wall type question, but has there been any DNA studies conducted on Mandan remains?

hey thanks, i don't know about any dna results but i have read a lot of things that said they have maybe some welchdna
as some of the mandans had blond hair and blue eyes, and light skin (not a joke)
also those round boats made of buffalo hide covering a wood frame are the same as the welch round boats called 'coracles'


qouted:
"The Mandans spoke Welsh,they used a boat which was know as the Welsh Coracle and many of the Mandans had blond hair and blue eyes."

here is an article about it: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bowen/mandans.html