A Telling of Two Books?

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The Telling of Two Books?

Ok, first off, what I’m presenting is simply a series of strange coincidences that others may wish to investigate further. This presented information carries no personal opinion either way, other then to say, “the circumstances are very strange indeed.” Also, the authenticity of the diary titled, “The Memoirs of Jean Laffite” is still largely debated, though in recent years many scholars now believe the diary is the real thing. I’m not putting this out here to create a platform for ugly arguments, however, any interesting debating of this material is always most welcome. In my research efforts I always try to maintain the thought that until the lost or missing is firmly in hand no solution can carry any measure truth and that any notion or ideal is worthy of investigation. So with all of this mind let me present you with the series of strange coincidences I’m referring to:


In 1941 a man named, John Andrechyne Lafitte produced what he claimed was the diary of Jean Laffite. Though no attempt to prove the diary’s authenticity has been made by modern science a large number of today’s historians are now beginning to believe that it just might be the real thing. And, if it is ever proven to be the real thing then the information contained within its pages just might help lead someone to the truth about an unthinkable fortune in gold and silver. But for now, set this mystery aside so I can tell about a different mysterious story, one that might very well be connected to the famous pirate and his mysterious diary.

In 1885 a man named J. B. Ward produced a pamphlet called, The Beale Papers. In this pamphlet we are told that a man named Thomas Jefferson Beale and several associates found a great treasure trove while on a hunting adventure out west, and that they eventually moved their new found fortune from west to east and that they placed it in a secret vault in Bedford County, Virginia, during the years 1819 to 1821. We are then told that they entrusted a hotel keeper named Morriss with an iron box that contained three encrypted papers, which through the use of the proper key, would reveal the names of the associates, the contents of the secret vault, and the location of the secret vault. Keep in mind that this pamphlet was copyrighted by J. B. Ward and printed by a man named, John W. Sherman, and that the original story was supposedly told by an unnamed source.

So here we have two completely different writings that tell of two entirely different stories, right? Well, before you pass final judgement keep reading because you just might find many reasons to pause your judgement before making your final decision.

Obviously there isn’t enough room here to present all the particulars of each of these writings, however, I will provide you with a few of the most concerning details and the string of strange coincidences that appear to make some very strange, “connexions” within the two publications. And “no” I didn’t make a spelling error in my use of the word, “connexions” as it is actually French Creole, the same heritage as Jean Laffite, and oddly enough, the same and only such language deviation used in the Beale Papers publication. Why would an American press use such a deviation in language? Why would they use that deviation in language in just this one word, “connexions” while presenting their mysterious story of possible solution to the general, mostly American speaking public? The current spelling of the word “connection” was in use back in 1885 and it appears later on in the pamphlet so why use, “connexions” in the very first portion of the pamphlet and why use this deviation only once and in that location of the pamphlet text? Or, was it placed there as a possible clue? Neither Sherman or Ward were French Creole. Odd, to say the least. But never mind, as this is just one minor curiosity when compared to the following string of strange coincidences.

In the Laffite memoirs we read the following, “If God wishes to love the fifth generation to come, he will unveil the intentions and the spirit of the dead. And with my entire help!” During the period in question, most dictionaries that I have examined defined a generation as a period of 30 to 33 years. This country was founded in 1776. Five generations would roughly place the fifth generation between the years 1926 & 1941. John Andrechyne arrived on the scene with his famous diary in 1941, or during this country’s fifth generation. Just a coincidence, right?

Remember the names Ward & Sherman, One man the acting agent of the Beale Papers and the other the man who published that work. In the Laffite memoirs we read this, as Laffite is preparing to leave his Galveston commune in 1821, his words in reference to his secret plans thereafter. “I recommended to Mr. Hall, Mr. Campbell, Mr. Sherman, and those of Bolivar to keep our promise and distribute the gold to the indicated places.” Did he just say, “Mr. Sherman?” Oh well, just another coincidence, right?

And later we find this statement in the memoirs, as Laffite is speaking of some business dealings involving the railroad, “I have offered the present of a large quantity of gunpowder to blow up boulders. Mr. Ward, Mr. Kingsley, and Mr. Peabody seem to me to be very honest, nice men to take care of the railroad.” Did he just say, “Mr. Ward?” Oh well, just another strange coincidence, right?

And talk about strange timetables. If motive and the timing of events could convict a man then Laffite would certainly be most suspect. In his memoirs Laffite writes, “Between the dates of November 1818 and February 1819, my commune had 476,000 dollars put away.” He also tells us, speaking about the added risk to his ships and cargo as his strength begin to fade while at Galveston Island, “My vessels were searched many times; certain vessels were prevented from transporting merchandise, slaves, gold, silver, and cannons and powder when it was discovered that they belonged to me, forcing me to find other methods.” In 1819 to 1821 there were no railroads in the regions, so if not by ship, then by what other means did he have to transport goods from west to east? Just keep this in mind as you continue to read further.

Now enter the Adam’s Onis Treaty, the single document that would forever put an end to Laffite’s privateering days and his commune at Galveston Island. So let’s do a matching chronology of dates and events and see what we get? Also be aware that in his memoirs Laffite tells us that he had advanced knowledge of the Adma’s Onis Treaty even before it was a signed proposal.

The two Beale deposits are said to have been made on November 1819 and December 1821. But of even greater significance are the dates of the Adams Onis Treaty, signed in February 1819 and ratified into law in February 1821. Both of the claimed Beale deposits take place “ten” and “eleven” months following the “signing” and the “ratification” of the “Adams Olin Treaty.” This brings into view the following question; Did Laffite order the two deposits to be made into the secret vault with the coming of these two events? The evidence certainly points to this very possibility. And if so, did he also deposit anything
of historical value for future generations? His entries in his memoirs certainly offer us this possibility as well.

In The Beale Pamphlet Morriss claims that Beale’s two visits at his hotel took place on January 1820 and January 1822. Both of these dates fall only eleven months behind the dates of the signing and the ratification of the Adams Onis Treaty. Checkout the following timetable of events, but probably just another strange coincidence, right?


Treaty signing date: February 1819
(11 months later)
Beale’s first visit: January 1820

Treaty’s Rat. Date: February 1821
(11 months later)
Beale’s second visit: January 1822


Going a step further it’s interesting to note that both deposit dates fall closely in order between the dates in the above table, nine and ten months respectively.

Treaty signing date: February 1819
(9 months later)
First Deposit date: November 1819
(2 months later)
Beale’s first visit: January 1820
(11 months later)
Treaty’s Rat. Date: February 1821
(10 months later)
Second Deposit date: December 1821
(1 month later)
Beale’s second visit: January 1822

Side note: Jean Laffite was forced from Galveston Island on February 25th, 1821, just four days past the treaty’s ratification date and ten months prior to the last Beale deposit date.

All of this, of course, is just a little bit more in an already bazaar series of most unlikely coincidences, right? When one reads the clear text for cipher 2 in the Beale Papers he right away thinks of a cemetery, “…in an excavation or vault, six feet below the surface of the ground….,” and in continuing, “….the vault is roughly lined with stone, and the vessels rest on solid stone, and are covered with others…..” In his memoirs Laffite makes it a point to tell us of Francois Little, an undertaker, who later became known by the name, Francis Little, Laffite’s eventual son-in-law turned furniture maker. Again, just another strange coincidence, right? And if the memoirs are real, then Laffite also spent a great portion of his life in Richmond & Charleston and other cities of the east-coast. More coincidence?

And what about the name, Thomas Jefferson Beale? The Declaration of Independence was the key to cipher 2. Thomas Jefferson is given credit as being the author of that very document, the same document Laffite claims as being, “the most sacred document of them all”. Again, just more coincidence, right? And there is so much more, but for now let me present you with two quotes from Laffite’s memoirs:

“People wondered why I felt an interest in the masses of future generations. The answer: Most of the gold that I possess was dug up and ripped from the earth upon the hardened backs of Mestizo Indians reduced to slavery in Peru and South America and in Mexico during the time when the provinces were under the iron fist of the Spaniards.” And then he goes to write; “My answers: No man can live two days in a row in the same way, for different influences and desires possess and dominate within him. I only understand the great laws of nature by its effects, which I conceive through vegetation planted in the ground that receives appropriate light, heat, and humidity to make it grow and produce its product. I feel happy; no one has found out what I personally possess. I have given presents to help other people, and now I feel more enthusiastic. My thoughts are always busy on the subject of future generations so that they will have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and the love, peace, and tranquility to reign complete mastery to infinity.”

“If God wishes to love the fifth generation to come, he will unveil the intentions and the spirit of the dead. And with my entire help!”

A) How do you unveil the intentions and the spirit of the dead?
B) What was Laffite making reference to when he remarks that, “”I feel happy; no one has found out what I personally posses.”
C) “My thoughts are always busy on the subject of future generations so that they will have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and the love, peace, and tranquility to reign complete mastery to infinity.”
D) “If God wishes to love the fifth generation to come, he will unveil the intentions and the spirit of the dead. And with my help!” How could he possibly help a society five generations in his passing? John Andrechyne Lafitte produced the Laffite writings in 1941, or during this country’s fifth generation.
E) Both writings contain the names Sherman & Ward. Laffite’s Sherman was entrusted with secret gold shipments to unnamed destinations. The Beale Pamphlet’s Sherman was the publisher of the pamphlet. Laffite’s Ward was involved with railroads. The pamphlet’s Ward was acting agent for the unknown author of the Beale Papers.
F) “Connexions” is French Creole. Laffite was French Creole.
G) The pamphlet’s main character was Thomas Jefferson Beale to which there is no known genealogical evidence to support his actual existence. However, and oddly enough, the key to cipher no 2 was the Declaration of Independence, a document penned by Thomas Jefferson, the same document Laffite calls, “the most sacred document of them all.”
H) The dates of the deposits and even Laffite’s ousting from Galveston Island all coincide with the signing and ratification dates of the Adam’s Onis Treaty, the very document that sealed Laffite’s fate and put the final end to not only his privateering activities, but also his efforts to establish French refugee settlements in the disputed territories.
I) “Between the dates of November 1818 and February 1819, my commune had 476,000 dollars put away.” And, “My vessels were searched many times; certain vessels were prevented from transporting merchandise, slaves, gold, silver, and cannons and powder when it was discovered that they belonged to me, forcing me to find other methods.” Take note of the dates, what happened to this wealth after February 1819? Where could it have gone, and why? The Adam’s Onis Treaty was signed in February, 1819.

As one continues to compare the two writings he will discover other odd circumstances, or are they, “connexions” in some telling way? It is, perhaps, unthinkable to believe that such a mystery could be conceived and carried out without notice and prior discovery. On the other hand, Laffite was a very dedicated man true to his cause and his personal beliefs. How is it that Laffite was able to stay on top for so long, the sending of navel forces obviously felt necessary in order to force him from his stronghold on Galveston Island, and then the permitting of his easy sailing away? According to his memoirs he was deeply connected to many political and influential sources, so just how resourceful and influential was his own presence within that same arena? What was the man’s true purpose and cause in life? If the memoirs are ever proven to be real then eventually those answers may truly surprise us. As for the comparisons of the these two writings, very odd to say the least. And if the memoirs are ever proven to be real, then allow me to add these final quotes:

“There is a little gold near the island of Largo; near other coast of Cuba as well, though I cannot direct anyone toward that place to retrieve the gold, for I do not know the exact spot. I can say is that some of my officers had some silver hidden on Caillou Island. I do not know the exact spot. The officers never returned.”

“Some Spanish silver and gold remains on Pecan Island. I do not know exactly where.”

“The gold hidden in my warehouses near Catouache was retrieved and moved long ago.” To where?
“Seven leagues to the west, two leagues to the north of the Spanish city of Saint Augustines, some of my officers buried a large quantity of gold under my orders. I have no knowledge of the exact spot, for they were taken prisoner and killed by warships, and their papers were destroyed.” Is it still there?

“He intended to obtain Negroes from the barracks of the Isle of the Pines and to find the gold plates and silver bars on the coast of Largo Island.”

It’s all very fascinating, all very intriguing, much of it contains a series of odd coincidences and circumstances, but is any of it, or possibly all of it, true? And if it is? Perhaps one or more of you would like to investigate all the possibilities further.
 

BigScoop:

That is quite a tale that obviously took some valuable time to construct. I have no doubt that many noobs will take the bait and plan accordingly. Mind
if I pluck a few barbs off the hook?
The "founding" of this country in 1776 overlooks the perilous struggle begun
much earlier. Of course you can pick that date to make the math fit for the
purpose intended. No harm in that.
The assumption that the Beale riddle is gold plated fact is where I differ. After
a thorough examination of the prelude to the planting of this "treasure" I am
unable to buy the notion that it could have happened as told. To understand
my reluctance requires research of the area where the gold and silver is supposed to come from and a study of Spanish colonial history in New Mexico
and what is now Colorado.
I won't belabor you at this time with specifics but will suggest a reasonable
alternative theory that may save you and others time chasing shadows. IMHO
the Beale documents were either an elaborate hoax OR intricate clues to a
parlor game. If that seems weird maybe so. Back then there few breaks in the
monotony of day-to-day affairs especially for the well off matrons of that period
as well as the business men and parlor games were extremely popular. Puzzles
predated TV game shows as entertainment.
The Lafitte diary sounds interesting but as you say could be bogus. Since we
can't prove it's realiability it is sure to be a sensation.
I wonder if Mel looked for Jean's loot too.

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lastleg,
I presented no personal opinion either way, just a very small comparison of two different writings. In doing so I was already deeply aware of the many theories and research efforts that surround both of these publications, and I was already deeply aware of how firm a stand many will take in defense of their own efforts, and I fully support them all in their quest. I have only put it out here because both of these mysteries still remain unsolved and unproven. :thumbsup:
 

Here is my trouble with this legend... Today we have the most advanced computer technology. Numeric cypher code can be analysed and reported in a matter of hours. Numeric cypher, though comlex, is seemingly nothing for a computer set to assign values to the 100th power to break. Document relation may prove to add some complication, but a computer can draft thousands of combinations a day, regardless of origin. My other concern is the weight and physical size of the lot. That is an incredible amount of product for just a few persons to stash undetected; especially in across the terrain they would have crossed. I'm just throwing out some more "bounce backs"; what say you?
 

bigmac6006:

So you have read the account of "T.J. Beale" in the wilderness, hunting bears
and chasing bison across the prairie. Taking siestas in Santa Fe without scrutiny
or arrest by the Spanish governor who regularly detained intruders. For detailed
history of that period in New Mexico read "Great River" by Paul Horgan.
The gold/silver discovery is highly suspect. The idea of these early men of
leisure mining the lode without the mention of mining tools and processing the
ore is laughable. It is surprising the amount of true believers.
 

Bigmac
lastleg,
If we take the Beale Pamphlet at face value then you both are certainly correct. But just as a remote possibility, what if it wasn't intended to be taken at face value? :dontknow:
 

Well, I must say that nothing about mysterous history suprises me. Anything is possible (maybe not probable, but possible). I know a story of 35 Frenchmen armed with shovels, hand saws, and muskets that 'paved' a path of 10 miles through extreme terrain in 1735. I would have thought that to be fiction, but history recorded it fact, and I in-fact walked part of that trail two days ago. I have read about and veiwed piramids on two different contients made by man's hand with primative tools. History has proven that anything is possible. Who would have thought (during WWII, 65 yrs ago) we would be communicating through the internet. Now, concerning this legend: possible, yes... probable, no. The link between the Laffite and Beale legends is remarkable, and adds some probability to both stories. Unfortunately, only the coverted numbers (tavern puzzle, or treasure map) is the only way to prove or disprove anyones best guess. I do not dispute the unlikelihood of the Beale treasure originating from some New Mexico mine (Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, Utah... as there were no definitive lines) (Santa Fe does bring up some questions, but I will not go into that hypothysis now). I do find it possible that the Beale party ran into a wealthy smuggler, and could have been hired to move product.
 

Yet another good point; Taking any mystery clues at face value is a sure way to find a wall. I have another concern... Publishing any document or message in the early 1800's was a serious undertaking. Formal education was very limited. Reading, writing, ENCODING, would have been left to wealthy, well-to-do folks. Who ever started this process, was obviously very intelligent for the day. I would love to read the Laffite Diaries (real or not). The book that Lastleg referenced would interest me as well. I am not familiar with it. Is it in fact a Beale diary-type piece?
 

"The Great River" is about the two thousand mile long Rio Grande River and
the histories of the different cultures touched by it. It won a Pulitzer Prize.
 

bigmac6006 said:
Yet another good point; Taking any mystery clues at face value is a sure way to find a wall. I have another concern... Publishing any document or message in the early 1800's was a serious undertaking. Formal education was very limited. Reading, writing, ENCODING, would have been left to wealthy, well-to-do folks. Who ever started this process, was obviously very intelligent for the day. I would love to read the Laffite Diaries (real or not). The book that Lastleg referenced would interest me as well. I am not familiar with it. Is it in fact a Beale diary-type piece?

I'd suggest you read "the Memoirs of Jean Laffite" so you'll have a better understanding of the man, his possible true purposes in life and his possible many influences in many different areas. If the memoirs are real, and once again, many scholars now believe they are, then you'll begin to draw a whole different opinion of the possibilities. Today, there are still a lot of people who believe that the white man wasn't common in southwest during the Spanish rule, and yet this isn't true as there were many who ventured into the region and even stayed there for long periods of time. Just as we are at war today with a radical Muslim sector, yet we have many Muslims living peacefully among us. The same was true back then, if not quite on the same scale. In his memoirs Laffite even tells of the creating of secret, and rather complicated codes as a normal means of communication within the secret and influential circles he was party to. He also frequently visited Virginia, South Carolina, and many areas along the East Coast, even claims to have had several secret warehouses up and down that coast. And you will doubtless find a few other names that cross paths as one continues to compare the possibilities behind the writings of both publications. One thing that has always puzzled me about the Beale Pamphlet is that there is never any mention of anyone who ever knew Thomas Jefferson Beale other then Morriss, which I think is quite odd. Surely in the 1840's to 1860's there was someone around who would have remembered the man had he actually existed. In fact, there is no effort in the pamphlet at all to establish the man's actual existance. Yet, most of the other names in this publication were real people, something not usually associated, or even tolerated, with the writing of a fictional dime novel. So perhaps a great deal of it is true, and a great deal of it isn't, or perhaps a portion of it wasn't exactly as it was written? :dontknow: But as you say, until the day comes that someone has conclusive proof one way or the other then nodoby can, or should, reject other avenues and other possibilities. Keeping an open mind is often a difficult thing to do.
 

Very informative; both of you. I have to be honest, I'm not a very good treasure hunter, as I get lost in the mystery aspect of legends and tend to loose sight of the prize. My treasure is the lessons I learn along the way. I've been working on two treasure legends for two years now, and often forget that the original goal of my research was to find the prize (another story for another blog). Ok, well I have some reading to do. I do have a question, as both of you are well versed on the Beale subject... where is the original documents? Who has them. To much time has passed since the tavern, and the 'telephone game' would have brought in so much distortion, that the "field mouse is now a elephant." In the short time I have spent studying this topic, it seems many folks have claimed to already have decoded and found the treasure (or at least one of the caches). Any rumors either way that you guys have heard or researched?
 

bigmac6006 said:
Very informative; both of you. I have to be honest, I'm not a very good treasure hunter, as I get lost in the mystery aspect of legends and tend to loose sight of the prize. My treasure is the lessons I learn along the way. I've been working on two treasure legends for two years now, and often forget that the original goal of my research was to find the prize (another story for another blog). Ok, well I have some reading to do. I do have a question, as both of you are well versed on the Beale subject... where is the original documents? Who has them. To much time has passed since the tavern, and the 'telephone game' would have brought in so much distortion, that the "field mouse is now a elephant." In the short time I have spent studying this topic, it seems many folks have claimed to already have decoded and found the treasure (or at least one of the caches). Any rumors either way that you guys have heard or researched?

I'm a lot like you, I enjoy all the other aspects of the mystery as well. As far as documentation, there's really not too much of it out there, as you say, a lot of distortions, names that are spelled differently then those in the pamphlet, others that can't really be directly tied one way or the other, some of the people in the pamphlet existed, others? It's a typical treasure mystery that poses a lot of uncertainty, a lot of theories, but there is actually very little documentation to support the entire story as it is told. Basically there are a lot of claims, just as with any other treasure mystery, but non can, or have, produced an end result with proven conclusion, and I doubt there ever will be unless something spectacular an undeniable takes place. But, there is perhaps just enough bits of supporting evidence within the tale and certain areas of research to keep the fire burning. Personally, I find the "possible" truths in the Laffite Memoirs of greatest interest to me simply because much of what is written counters rather sharply what we commonly believe and have been taught about the man, his purpose, his motivations, his activities and actions, etc. If what is written in those memoirs is true, and I'm now leaning towards the memoirs as being genuine, then perhaps there is much learning and a greater understanding to be harvested from them. I really think it's time for the curators to spend the time and money required to determine it's authenticity, but who knows when or if this will ever happen without private influence and funding? Until that happens it will remain just another "could be" that will continue to be analyzed and scrutinzed as such. One of the strongest cases against a Laffite connection to the Beale Pamphlet is that by his own hand in his memoirs Laffite places himself in different locations at the time of T.J. Beale's visits with Morriss and the dates of the actual deposits. However, in these same memoirs we learn that it was quite common for these types of events be going on without Laffite's personal presence. So who is to say for sure? I think you'll enjoy reading the memoirs and entertaining the possible connections. :read2:
 

"Paper number "1" describes the exact locality of the vault, so that no difficulty will be had in finding it."

Think about the above statement. Think about all the changes that would/could take place with the passing of time. Roads could be built, homesteads could be created, trees could be cut down, rivers and streams will undergo change, trails will certainly undergo the changes of nature, etc. If there is any truth in this tale, then the above passage was written with the knowledge that there would exist an extended passing of time, and also with the certainty of the many changes that would/could take place during that extended passing of time.

"Paper number "1" describes the exact locality of the vault, so that no difficulty will be had in finding it." Where, then, could you locate an item so it wouldn't be subject to all of the natural & manmade changes that come with the passing of time?
 

Bigscoop this is fascinating Reading. Having read some on the Beale treasure and very little on the pirate this sounds very reasonable to me. I guess we should look for this one ASAP! Do you have anyting else that may be pertinent?
 

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