A Question about my Sweet Bear....

[curious kat]

....I did post this with some other things, but the picture was small... think it was my first post on TN? About November 11 I think. Well...I love this little Bear, it was one of our first finds & my favorite. What do you guys think about it? Old? A friend said it's made of Jet, and have had offers to buy it but wouldn't sell it for anything. Thanks guys!

 

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[outlawatheart]

up close turtle please....

 

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[dlos]

That really is a cool piece! As others have requested, I'd like to see some of the stone arrowheads and tools that have come from the property as well. What is it made of?

Surely a Banner piece but would really like to know more about it. Could it be a contact piece or something from a later time that was dropped there? Are there any signs of settlement on the property aside from Native American?

Great find no matter what!

 

[rock]

Sounds rite Kat. Id like to see the turtle also. The bear looks like canel coal to me.

 

[curious kat]

....Thank you again for all the help everyone! ....I'll post the turtle pictures this evening on a new thread for you guys to see close up, later

 

[curious kat]

...sorry didn't answer other questions. First, what's "canal coal" Rock? Someone told me it was Jet, it does make a dark brownish/black streak on fine sand paper. And dlos, we have many arrowheads, shards and things from the same place.

 

[monsterrack]

kat to find out if the faces are obsidian or jet place them in a cold place for just a minute jet does not conduct heat or cold like obsidian will. I believe jet is a type of coal.

 

[rock]

regular coal is lite and canel coal is heavier I do believe in weight but easy to carve. Allot of NA used it. Kinda like soap stone

 

[curious kat]

The faces are Obsidian monsterrack, it's the bear that's in question. A friend had said it's Jet, which is some kind of wood that's undergone something or other? lol Is canal coal the same thing I wonder? Haven't found anything else yet that appears to be made of the same thing. Maybe was traded?

 

[Red James Cash]

Jet is a type of coal,if you rub it on a white rock you should get a brown streak.

 

[old digger]

Pretty Cool find!

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

so Mz Kat....are you up between acoma and zuni?

i ask, since the shards you had posted appear to be pueblo pottery...perhaps some greenware...the shards would have been dual color...or tri color...
{ oh..not the above shards...the braided and corrugated pieces}
the bear is a wonderful fetish...well done...great find...


P.S. jet, or any shiny black stone, is popular material to use in fetishs'....among the pueblo peoples.

 

[curious kat]

Maybe somewhere's between Pippin, like you Thanks for liking the bear, he is cute...guess you're thinking Acoma Jet? How long have they been using it I wonder?

 

[jamey]

hey kat,if you find alot of jet just natural look to see what shapes it comes in,i think the early people brought out what was already there if that makes any sense too ya

 

[Americus]

That is an amazing find. Thanks for sharing.

 

[curious kat]

Yes, what you said makes sense Jamey, but haven't found any Jet in it's natural state yet. And you're very welcome Americus Thanks for looking!

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

acoma pueblo is suspected of being occupied around 800 years...the hopi is supposed to be the oldest occupied pueblo...
above hopi land, is black mesa...coal...Peabody is still digging coal out of that mountain.
there was much trade and interaction between the pueblos...
that is in no way a natural rock...carved fetish...

fantastic find...

 

[curious kat]

Thanks for the interesting info. on Acoma P. Pippin. This sweet little bear was probably a trade in some way. I think what Jamey means is that whatever natural shape a piece of Jet came in, the artist would then take advantage of that shape and create something that "flowed" with it...not that it came in a natural bear shape....correct me Jamey if I'm wrong?

 

[rock]

Thanks for the interesting info. on Acoma P. Pippin. This sweet little bear was probably a trade in some way. I think what Jamey means is that whatever natural shape a piece of Jet came in, the artist would then take advantage of that shape and create something that "flowed" with it...not that it came in a natural bear shape....correct me Jamey if I'm wrong?

Id have to agree it has been carved. It is not a natural piece. Mother nature is good but not that good. Its a great find Kat.

 

[jamey]

im a little dumb at times but no i did not mean it was natural,it is hand carved.kat sumed it up just perfect as what i was trying to say.just wanted to see if jet comes in big sized chunks to help her find out if it is in fact jet.

 

[Peyton Manning]

love the bear. but I feel bad for the dude who carved it. Think how long that must have taken, especially with no steel!!
I often feel sorry for people who lived so long ago that they had nothing to do but make us things to collect now. No TV, no satelites, no dvr's.
They never had a chance to know about the kardashian's, or honey dumb dumb, or housewives of anywhere, or oprah. All they had was nature and living for entertainment. Poor schlubs.