A GUIDE TO VAULT TREASURE HUNTING (Condensed)

[sandy1]

I always go back to the young and ambitious people as this type of treasure hunting is not really for the older crowd.

 

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[cyzak]

Looks like ordinary rocks. If you think otherwise perhaps, as an example, you could discuss what evidence points that way.

Carl mdog says sdcfia has a book out have you read it.

 

[sdcfia]

OH CRAP!! Better watch out Sdcfia. They’re about ready to raise the stake and pile the kindling. Hope you have a set of asbestos long johns.

Gosh, you're right, dog. Must have struck a nerve. Sounds like I need some time in a re-education camp.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

I always go back to the young and ambitious people as this type of treasure hunting is not really for the older crowd.

Define young, ambitious, & old Amigo...
Is youth & ambition really everything?

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Gosh, you're right, dog. Must have struck a nerve. Sounds like I need some time in a re-education camp.

Well, maybe a slight attitude adjustment mite help a bit...

 

[sandy1]

Define young, ambitious, & old Amigo...
Is youth & ambition really everything?

When your approaching 70 you should not need a treasure even if you are capable of getting one, at that point you have lived a full life and treasure hunting is something for people that want something more in their Future.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Perhaps there are just too many to have been man made.

That really makes good, logical sense doesn't it?

A basic tenet in science is, when you get extraordinary results, you should make an extraordinary effort to prove those results wrong. Pons & Fleischmann ignored that tenet to the demise of their reputations and careers. Countless kitchen-sink scientists chasing free energy and perpetual motion aren't even aware they should spend any effort critiquing their own work. Doesn't matter, other people will be happy to oblige them.

That's the point I got from scdfia's post. When you think you see a marker, you owe it to yourself to prove yourself wrong. Otherwise, every rock is a marker.

That we have proven to ourselves these things are true, doesn't seem to be of any value to you.
The fact that these Various types (whether Spanish or Ancient) exist, doesn't seem credible to
you, even with verified proofs. So it's apparently impossible to show you evidence, not that it
was ever an objective to prove anything to you anyway. For what good purpose serves it?

Sure, I see them all over Oregon. They were in North Carolina. They're in New Hampshire, Tennessee, Alaska, British Columbia, and, I'm sure, Japan, China, India, and Australia.

This too you must see, is totally preposterous. As you well know the Spanish, & or the Ancients for that matter,
were Extremely more than Unlikely to have EVER visited several of these places you popped off. Is it really very
scientific, to just keep going off half cocked conjecture, making a far fetched point of no scientific basis?

Since you're so unhappy with the conversation, why don't you leave it alone & go your way,
to maybe find something else that you're comfortable with, & will possibly make you happy?

 

[Crosse De Sign]

I have no problem at all with being ignored. I’ve been married for 47years.

I never thought of it that way, but you’re right. We’ve been married 47 years and I still love to hear the sound of her voice, even when she’s mad at me. I have to be with her, as much as I can. I’m old and not in the best of health, so every minute with her is valuable. She is my treasure.

Then you Are a Fortunate & Blessed man, as not very many souls on God's green earth,
really ever get to experience the worthwhile trials, & the awesome treasured memories,
it sounds like you have & still enjoy. You will undoubtedly go to your destiny satisfied, &
it most likely doesn't get any better than that, for a man to enjoy his bread & company...

 

[Crosse De Sign]

mdog, carl, sdc. Ever seen anythin' liken ta' these here

Man made treasure markers, or other type of carvings? Spanish or Somebody Else?

Looks like ordinary rocks. If you think otherwise perhaps, as an example, you could discuss what evidence points that way.

In this case Carl, the images stand on their own, though perhaps point to individual interpretation.
Nevertheless, they obviously speak for themselves, & are quite an impeccable example of old art,
firmly set in stone. The implications of which, should be easy to interpret, even for say a slightly
educated, but well aware child...

 

[Crosse De Sign]

When your approaching 70 you should not need a treasure even if you are capable of getting one, at that point you have lived a full life and treasure hunting is something for people that want something more in their Future.

Hmmm, so tell that to the many Kings & Knights, who've died old in battles
they didn't necessarily... have to fight. It's not always in the actual treasures
that one may possess, but possibly, also in the principle relevant points of life.
~:Crosse De Sign:~
...

 

[Chadeaux]

There are plenty of petroglyphs in NM's lower Rio Grande Valley region that depict North African symbology, but it's impossible to date them conclusively. The best evidence I've seen is Mystery Mountain west of Los Lunas NM. The Decalog Stone low on the mesa is the obvious focus for most folks and its authenticity will be forever denied by academia, as is the case with all artifacts that don't fit The Narrative. IMO, the structural ruins on top of the mesa are more compelling. The site plan of the settlement up there strongly matches similar military encampment ruins found all over the Middle East. These are clearly not Anasazi-style "Indian ruins", and are rarely if ever discussed by pointy-heads.

I have two problems with pareidolia-based "ancient carvings" - heads, faces, animals, shadow-casters, et al. First, a construction operation that reshapes a mountain, even in ancient times, will leave evidence of the work, lots of it. There will be tool marks, exposed erosion boundaries, massive detritus accumulations, etc. I've seen nobody demonstrate any of this at any of the claimed sites.

With smaller objects, like carved heads or animals, the evidence should be even easier to find as the detail required should be clearly evident on the rock surfaces. I've only seen one example of a rock that was manipulated to look more like the object it appeared to be, and I found it and verified it myself. Tool marks and fresh exposed surfaces on this dog's ear, eye and snout proved to me that somebody enhanced it.
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Even though a rock may look like a familiar shape, nobody bothers to verify with even the slightest evidence that the thing isn't just another "looks like" rock, and there is certainly no shortage of those. Why not verify the claims? Because there is no evidence. When people start proving "carved rocks" or "reshaped mountains" are indeed enhanced, maybe the rest of us will begin to take them more seriously.

Second point. If these ancient carvers were so skilled, then why is the quality of their New World carvings so terribly shabby compared to the work they did back home in the Old World? The thousands-of-year-old carvings and inscriptions from ancient cultures worldwide is clearly manmade, beautifully and meticulously crafted, and obviously enduring. Yet, here in today's USA, we are shown vague rocks that sorta look like this or that, especially if you squint and use your imagination and are told that they are manmade. Why aren't they more clearly formed and detailed, and maybe even inscribed too? If beautiful carved monuments were good enough for Egypt, the Middle East and the Andes, why not the USA?

Hmm... just wonder if he noticed it appears to be a small replica sitting on top of a larger stone of the same shape? Can only base my question on the cropped image.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Some pics look possibly more Egyptian than otherwise,
but like you say, not having the full scope of the medium.

 

[Carl-NC]

Nevertheless, they obviously speak for themselves, & are quite an impeccable example of old art,
firmly set in stone.

What do you see in them that suggests this?

 

[Crosse De Sign]

What do you see in them that suggests this?

What do you see? Stop playing games, surely you can see...
There is an old culture that was known for this type, &
if you don't know it, then do some studying...

 

[cyzak]

What do you see in them that suggests this?

Carl the first step is you have to really believe and I know that you want to but you don't want to because you have gone thru your whole life learning and being told it does not exists.What I can not figure out is if you build metal detectors for finding metals no one has ever asked you to find one of these vault treasures with a metal detector or some other device.

 

[sandy1]

Here is a marker I found today that should be easily believed in.

 

[mdog]

Thats a stretch there, you have to understand how many Indian heads were carved out here, even kenworthy put a huge boulder (Indian Head) one with the topknot/scalplock in one of his books which enters the superstitions, this is where Kenworthy and I part ways because he said it was made by the Spanish in order to show them they may encounter Indians along that trail while I say that the trail was made/marked by the Ancient American Indians that were there long before the Spanish.

I've been thinking about this post for a couple of days and your theory about the Indian heads makes sense. I think I have this right. The regular Indian heads mark the trail going to the tomb and the Chief's head with the throne is at the burial vault site. Is that right? And at the tomb site are the different animal monuments and you think the animal monuments were made by the Indians? Is that right?

I'm always looking for some link between Mexico and the upper Mississippi. In Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin, there are many mounds that are shaped like animals. and 87 per cent show evidence of burials. Most of these animal effigy mounds were built from 350-1300 AD. There are also large effigy mounds of snakes and several have an egg? between their jaws. One of these snake mounds is in Rice County, Kansas close to what was the Santa Fe Trail and another is about 70 miles north. This would put these snake mounds pretty far to the southwest of the majority of the animal effigy mounds of the upper midwest. So, in the upper midwest, we have a culture that built animal shaped effigy mounds that were related to burials and in the southwest you have stone Indian heads leading to burial vaults and stone animal shaped monuments that are at the burial site. You have a lot of stone, in the southwest, and it seems to me that it would be a lot easier and faster to create stone images that resemble animals or humans, than it would be to build effigy mounds that resemble animals or humans. That might explain why you're finding so many Indian heads along the trails. If they are easy to make, keep making them. I'd like to see more of these Indian head pictures if you have any. As a side note. I read about a place in northern Iowa where an important Indian trail was marked by a series of mounds. Whoever wrote the article said that the mounds were high enough, that you could stand on the top of one and see the next one. I'll have to look for that again, just to make sure that I got it right.

 

[cyzak]

Here is a marker I found today that should be easily believed in.
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I like it I like it a lot.

 

[sandy1]

Here is another very important Indian head which is also an alignment boulder to a crisscross spot that I have a gold aura from.
He is much harder to see in a picture but looks absolutely perfect in real life (he has a Black nose)

 

[Crosse De Sign]

I like the picture of the heart you posted awhile back. The next time you’re out there, measure the heart. If you are close to 74, walk a heading of 85 deg. If you find another symbol, within 500 feet, you have an organization site and you are probably at a decoy spot. You might even find an open hole. I got the 85 deg tip from sdcfia’s book. It’s a good tip.

You mean this modern one?